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Mmm, I see what you mean... was the 17-inch an optional upgrade to the old MBPs? It's definitely different now (new HDD options, 4 GB RAM standard), and cheaper, but it's the old design (and CPU and GPU!), still.

 

I'm a little less thrilled, now :/ I want the big, high-res, matte display, though, so I guess I'll get whatever I get.

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After looking over the details a little more, Im pretty happy with most of it, but the biggest kick in the balls was they left out the backlit keyboard on the $1299 Macbook. You have to get the $1599 Macbook if you want it. Seriously.

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That's terrific. So with a pathetic 14ms response time, glossy screen, 1000:1 contrast ratio and compatibility only with the new Macbook and Macbook pros the point of the new Cinema Display is what exactly?

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Canadian kick in the balls is the pricing. I'm not seeing 1299 and 1599 options for Canada, but 1399 and 2199 options exist for the 13" and 15" respectively.

 

Blah, I'm torn. I don't like the looks that much, but I like the specs of the 15" model.

 

Glossy screen for me, prefer the colour and I don't have an issue with light conditions where I use the computer.

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After looking over the details a little more, Im pretty happy with most of it, but the biggest kick in the balls was they left out the backlit keyboard on the $1299 Macbook. You have to get the $1599 Macbook if you want it. Seriously.

 

Are you sure about that, Cam? Take a look at the $1299 model at the online store and it says that the keyboard is backlit.

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Are you sure about that, Cam? Take a look at the $1299 model at the online store and it says that the keyboard is backlit.

Its an error. Steve said no backlit in the 1299.

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That's terrific. So with a pathetic 14ms response time, glossy screen, 1000:1 contrast ratio and compatibility only with the new Macbook and Macbook pros the point of the new Cinema Display is what exactly?

I have no clue, especially when I just got an email from Office Depot with a 22" Acer for $180 in it. Now its quality is not that of the Apple, but the $300 24" Samsung is just as nice.

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I have no clue, especially when I just got an email from Office Depot with a 22" Acer for $180 in it. Now its quality is not that of the Apple, but the $300 24" Samsung is just as nice.

 

It speaks volumes about where Apple are though doesn’t it? It’s baffling that they’ve made no discernable effort to reduce the price of their hardware in the face of the ever decreasing prices of Windows driven competition (in a climate where the majority of consumers are really not looking to overspend).

 

I find this the most frustrating update from Apple in a while. This, combined with their seemingly ever decreasing standards for quality control, is very distressing.

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New kick in the balls, new LED Cinema Display, only compatible with new MacBooks and MacBook Pros.

 

No adapters? There's one listed in the specs, but I dont know if that means it will work with older Macbooks.

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It speaks volumes about where Apple are though doesn?t it? It?s baffling that they?ve made no discernable effort to reduce the price of their hardware in the face of the ever decreasing prices of Windows driven competition (in a climate where the majority of consumers are really not looking to overspend).

 

I find this the most frustrating update from Apple in a while. This, combined with their seemingly ever decreasing standards for quality control, is very distressing.

 

Stop being so logical. There's no place for that in an Apple thread.

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No adapters? There's one listed in the specs, but I dont know if that means it will work with older Macbooks.

Nope:

 

Compatible with MacBook, MacBook Air, and MacBook Pro systems with Mini DisplayPort

 

The adapters are to go from MDP to DVI, not the other way.

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That's terrific. So with a pathetic 14ms response time, glossy screen, 1000:1 contrast ratio and compatibility only with the new Macbook and Macbook pros the point of the new Cinema Display is what exactly?

 

My guess is that they want people who buy notebooks as their primary computer to be able to easily hook it up to an external monitor, keyboard, and mouse to be able to use it as if it were a desktop machine.

 

Of course, I'm typing this now on my white MacBook, which is plugged into a 20" Samsung LCD monitor, an aluminum Apple keyboard, and paired with a wireless Mighty Mouse I'm getting roughly the same experience, only with a smaller screen and no integrated webcam. Oh, and the speakers are external also. I just love my Swans.

 

Hmm....quite "meh". I have no regrets buying my hi-res matte 17" earlier this year after seeing these offerings. I absolutely love it.

 

That's a good sign, right? You shouldn't be regretting a computer purchase you made only a few months ago.

 

New kick in the balls, new LED Cinema Display, only compatible with new MacBooks and MacBook Pros.

 

That's not true. It's also compatible with the refreshed MacBook Air. :)

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Now I'm almost afraid of what they'll do to the 17-inch if they refresh it. I feel like I should grab one while I still can :)

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I like the hardware and chipset changes - long time coming IMO but... I don't care for the new Cinema display, it's just too limited for me (especially at that price). I also have no desire for a new MBP now but, I am wanting that new MB. Great hardware updates to that line and I love the new aluminum casing. As said though, the MB updates kind of negate the benefits of (and clear delinieation between) the MB's and MBP's. The pricing still isn't good enough really but the $1299 MB is very tempting to me. The backlit keyboard would make it killer though <sigh>.

 

To put it bluntly, the problem with the $1599 MB for me personally is that it pushes my budget out farther than I'd like, it isn't that much higher spec'd than the $1299 model and, after the conversion rate etc, etc its the same cost out-of-pocket as the Gateway 7811FX which is a much better spec'd rig and better for gaming (although uglier) and (specific to my wants/needs) it could run OSx86 beautifully...

 

They just didn't "knock this one out of the park" IMO. I am already sold on Apple and OSX specifically and I was looking to get a new Apple laptop later this month so... All they had to do was give me a decent update at a decent price to convince me to stop looking elsewhere (for lack of a better term). The new MB is pretty close but still a little steep for the hardware and they just didn't quite hit what I wanted them to hit. Guess that's always the way it goes though right :)

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Do Apple still offer a worldwide warranty? I was toying with getting an MBP in the US early in the New Year although there's probably not going to be much in it (once I account for US sales tax and the fact I can recover tax on one were I to purchase it here if I registered it as a business expense). Still, I'd like to know if they cover their products worldwide for repair...etc just for reference.

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Macworld has more detailed hands on reviews after getting the new Macbooks and Macbook Pros in their office:

 

One of the most ballyhooed new features of these MacBooks is the new clickable glass trackpad. So, about that button. Longtime users of Apple laptops will find it quite a bit disconcerting to reach below the trackpad with their thumbs, only to find no button there. However, it’s a pretty easy step to just slide your hand up on the trackpad so that you continue to point with one finger and click on the pad with your thumb. The trackpad is smart enough not to get confused by the presence of a finger and a thumb on the trackpad. And of course, those who are adventurous will get used to pressing with their index finger as they mouse around, giving their thumbs a break. (For clicking and dragging, you’ll basically still need two fingers.)

 

The new trackpad looks pretty much like the old trackpad. It’s painted the same color as the MacBook’s aluminum body. But it’s smoother than an old-style Apple trackpad. The sensation of moving your fingers across it is a little disconcerting; there’s friction but not a lot of texture. It definitely doesn’t feel like you’re running your finger across a pane of glass, though that’s what it is.

 

With the new trackpad come a new set of supported multi-finger gestures, all configured via the new Trackpad preference pane. The gestures supported by the past generation of laptops are still there, including two-finger scrolling, pinching and spreading fingers to zoom in and out, and swiping three fingers to navigate forward and back.

 

But the new trackpad has a few new tricks up its sleeve. You can program either the bottom right or left corner of the trackpad to act as a secondary mouse button. In other words, if you click in the bottom corner of the trackpad, it can be registered as a right-click. So the no-button laptop can act as a two-button laptop after all. (There’s no support for any additional button mappings, however.)

 

The laptops’ new four-finger gestures are built into the system and can’t be customized, but they’re still pretty cool. Place four fingers on the trackpad and flick them up, and Expose hides all your windows and exposes the desktop. Flick down with the same four fingers, and Expose shows all windows. Swipe left or right and the application switcher appears.

 

At 4.5 pounds, the new MacBook is half a pound lighter than the old version. With its new complement of previously-Pro-only features and its lighter weight, people who have been considering the MacBook Air will probably want to give that purchase some more consideration. The new MacBook isn’t close to the three-pound Air on weight, but it’s noticeably lighter than its predecessor and it’s cheaper and faster than the Air. As a MacBook Air user, I will have to seriously consider switching back to the MacBook now that it’s gained these new features and lightened its load by half a pound.

 

The MacBook Pro, on the other hand, is two-tenths of a pound heavier than its predecessor. In practice you probably wouldn’t notice the difference, but the Pro definitely didn’t go on the same diet as the MacBook.

 

The new MacBook Pro has two separate graphics subsystems inside of it. One, the NVIDIA GeForce 9400M, is the same one found in the new MacBook and MacBook Air models. It’s less powerful—and uses less power. The other, the NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT, is a much faster, higher-performance graphics processor. To choose which one you use, you must go to the Energy Saver preference pane, fresh with its new icon. (The Energy Saver icon used to be an incandescent light bulb; Apple has replaced it with a compact fluorescent as a part of its quest to reduce the energy consumption of its icons.)

 

Within the Energy Saver preference pane, you can choose between “Better battery life” (the 9400M) and “Higher performance” (the 9600M GT) for graphics. However, this isn’t a switch you can do on the fly—nor can you set the system to use one when you’re on battery power and the other when you’re attached to an outlet. In fact, to switch between the two cards requires you to log out of your user account and log back in.

 

http://www.macworld.com/article/136063/2008/10/macbook_first_look.html?lsrc=top_1

 

 

Engadget have a similar unboxing and hands on session too:

 

The trackpad, on the other hand, is surprisingly usable. The click feels similar to the traditional button -- though slightly more resistive -- and you're able to do right-clicking by either a two-finger gesture or assigning one of the bottom corners. We prefer the latter technique, we just hope someone hacks that to expand the corner size. They tell us it's made of glass now, but it feels pretty much the way it always has. All-in-all, not a bad execution on something we were fairly worried about.

 

http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/14/new-macbook-macbook-pro-unboxing-and-first-impressions/

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Has any more been said about a potential speed boost for the iMac? I know one was rumoured to come this side of Christmas but I've not read anything substantial. I've still not decided on an iMac or a Macbook pro but - although yesterday I felt the opposite prior to the Macbook event - I feel a top spec iMac is going to give me the best value for money at this point and I'll just continue to hold on to my old iBook G4.

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That's a good sign, right? You shouldn't be regretting a computer purchase you made only a few months ago.[/qUOTE]

Oh, absolutely. I am not dissatisfied in the least with my current 17", but there is always that nagging voice in the back of your head wondering if the next revision (and in this case, a redesign) is going to blow the previous one out of the water. That answer, for me at least, is no.

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Is the new keyboard (flat with space between keys) like what's been on the little white MacBooks already? I just looked at the 17" and old 15" in a store today and I loved the keyboard, especially compared to mom's little white MacBook.

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Covak,

 

It looks similar, but without having a chance to type on it, I can't really say if it is as good or better than the old white MacBook.

 

For what it's worth, I think the keyboard on the white MacBook isn't that great. It gets the job done, but I don't like the way it feels when I type. The keys don't "click" under my fingers the way a good keyboard should. Instead, I get a mushy sensation, like I'm mashing the key rather than striking it. Also, I occasionally have a problem with letters not registering when I hit the key. I know many other MacBook users have complained about the same issues, and I consider the keyboard to be one of the few areas in which my computer lacks.

 

I'd like to point out, however, that I also have the aluminum keyboard from Apple, which has the same layout (and probably same buttons) as my MacBook, and I absolutely love typing on that thing. I seriously think it's one of the best keyboards I've ever used. So, who knows? Maybe the new aluminum designs create a better feel when typing as well. If Apple could replicate the feel of the aluminum keyboard in the new MacBooks, it would be a very welcome improvement.

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