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Justice League- really liked the hero character stuff, good soundtrack, many laughs, horrible special effects in spots, back story is literally Lord of the Rings, waste of another DC villain. Liked it a lot more the BvS and SS, but those were a very low bar . Enjoyed the credit scenes. 

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Nope, he was actually pretty good, as he is pretty much a newb when it comes to having powers.. The weakest character of the league was Cyborg, but most of the time he is as only a few have written him well.

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In the previews it looked like they were trying to copy the Peter Parker newbie relationship with Stark with the Flash/Batman relationship.  Only I found Spiderman to be really cute and charming.  The preview for this made me a little skeptical that they'd pull it off.  Sounds like you liked it though.

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This is my assessment of the characters.

Batman - weirdly enough, probably the worst of the bunch because I don't care for Ben Affleck's portrayal of Batman or Bruce Wayne.

Wonder Woman - still tops on this one.

Cyborg - Err, I don't have a good enough base for this one since the only exposure I have to him were old cartoons and Teen Titans Go.

Aquaman - I'm surprised I didn't hate this one.  I'm okay with it.

Flash - I really liked it.

Superman - I've always liked this portrayal.  Too bad he's been in one horrific movie and one okay one.

 

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They just need to get a totally different team doing the JL stuff. They actors are well fast, and work well together.

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Justice League is not a good film. It bounces between bad and OK for most of it's run time, though it does have a few good scenes and gets better about halfway through. The CGI is awful. The cinematography is mostly bad.

 

I liked Flash, Wonder Women is par for the course, not a fan of Aquaman, and Cyborg was OK. I think Affleck may have lost interest in playing Batman, didn't care for his portrayal as much in this movie vs BvS.

 

Synder is out now right? They can't possibly continue with him involved. The movie is tracking for an abysmal sub $100 mil opening. 

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4 hours ago, NickC said:

 

Synder is out now right? They can't possibly continue with him involved. The movie is tracking for an abysmal sub $100 mil opening. 

 

Apparently Whedon was brought in even before that devastating event in Snyder’s personal life forced him to step away, so it would seem there was a decsion higher up at Warner to distance the universe from his creative stamp. I’d imagine creatively he’d be ready to move on anyway. Even if you don’t take his bereavement into it the experience of doing three of these must be exhausting, doubly so when the backlash takes on such an unnecessarily nasty tone.

 

If that’s true it won’t crack 100m this weekend that’s stunning news. Honestly, I’d reboot Batman, reboot Superman, continue doing the Wonder Woman thing and stop fucking bothering with this shared universe obsession.

 

I respect Justice League is a staple of DC character history but Warner trying to ape Marvel with their characters and Universal trying to ape Marvel with their monsters has resulted in nothing short of embarrassment that reeks of desperation. The whole thing Feige is doing at Marvel is lightning in a bottle that we’ll probably never see mirrored by any other studio. 

 

Warner have had two movies now that have seemingly tarnished the idea of bringing these characters together on screen. Clearly BvS already did a lot of damage in souring this character mash up in people’s minds. Let it die, and in doing so allow really great self-contained universes for those characters on screen to live. In doing so they’d give filmmakers far more freedom in committing unique visions on screen that would not be held hostage to thinking five movies ahead and having to adhere to a set visual and dramatic framework. That’s the best way to do their own thing in response to the Marvel machine. 

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Nah if marvel can reboot Spider-Man three times, and Dc can have 5 batmen, they can get it right again. DC has already done it in their animated stuff very successfully  and even on the current tv shows have a JL like group.

 

Frankly the problem is who they have in charge of these films. I said it a while back but Geoff Johns needs to stay on the comic side. Just like Disney decided to give Feige full reins on the film side. WB needs to get somebody new in charge, and clean the film slate except for WW.  Make her your Iron Man and build on from there. Even if we do not get another JL film for 3-4 years. Forget Flashpoint, make a basic Flash movie, affleck wants to be gone then so be it. Cavil can be a great Superman if the right people are in charge. It can all be explained, DC has 52 earths :)

 

 

 

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47 minutes ago, Graeme said:

Armond White’s review of Justice League is classic Armond. Worth a read just for how ridiculous it is. 

 

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/453824/justice-league-triumphs-zack-snyder-masterpiece

 

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"Justice League features the year’s best action sequences since Zhang Yimou’s The Great Wall and Luc Besson’s Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets."

 

lol

 

 

If you enjoy Red Letter Media this is pretty funny.

 

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"It's the best movie 1996 never made."

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, JoeyN said:

Nah if marvel can reboot Spider-Man three times, and Dc can have 5 batmen, they can get it right again. DC has already done it in their animated stuff very successfully  and even on the current tv shows have a JL like group.

 

The animated and live action TV shows are a different animal to movies though that play to different kinds of audience, and from a production perspective adhere to different rules for their respective mediums.

 

As far as Spider-man goes, I don't think it is necessarily a good example. Homecoming did well, but still sits behind the three Rami films at the box office, and you have the good will effect of first having his latest incarnation appear in Civil War, and then having Downey Jr in Homecoming for added comfort value. So yes, you're doing Spider-man again, but the audience was kind of built in already for that Spider-man. It being accepted by an audience had a lot to do with being a byproduct of the MCU's established success because the MCU is just a familiar brand of your favourite candy at this point. Audiences already knew largely what they were going to get with Homecoming.

 

Warner, by comparison, is utterly directionless with the DC movies and characters. I'd expect the Matt Reeves take to be good, particularly if they decide to start afresh with a new actor, but I wouldn't even favour Batman movies anymore as I think he would benefit far more from returning to TV, via way of a big budget HBO series, that could really explore the character and that rogue's gallery of a villains in a way that no six hour movie trilogy could ever do (no, I'm not a fan of Gotham). Comic book diehards alone cannot make these movies sustainable. One of the miracles of the MCU is the way it appeals to a much wider audience, and Warner cannot just swan in thinking they can take a piece of that without building any goodwill. They have something good with Wonder Woman that struck a chord, and in making that they also one-upped Marvel who stupidly have taken a very long time to put a movie with a female lead into production. If they were smart they'd continue to explore that for a few years, then re-think everything else when the dust has settled. 

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We have imax and 3d now, but actually Homecoming has surpassed all the other spidey films when you compare grand totals of domestic and international. This year It is the 4th highest film worldwide beating WW, GoTG2 and Logan (Thor will pass it). I expect Homecoming 2 will be much bigger as it isn’t the start of the next phase, and spidey will have a big part in that.

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And Whedon is off Batgirl. The well oiled machine keeps running.

 

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"Batgirl is such an exciting project, and Warners/DC such collaborative and supportive partners, that it took me months to realize I really didn't have a story," Whedon told The Hollywood Reporter in a statement. Referring to DC president Geoff Johns and Warner Bros. Picture Group president Toby Emmerich, Whedon added, "I'm grateful to Geoff and Toby and everyone who was so welcoming when I arrived, and so understanding when I…uh, is there a sexier word for 'failed?'"

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joss-whedon-exits-batgirl-movie-1087384

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16 hours ago, JoeyN said:

The reason of not having a story is laughable. He has been pushing to do a Batgirl films for years.

 

There has to be at least some truth to it.  Really?  DC is firing him and he's publicly saying that he's a failure?

 

If Joss actually had a good script that he was excited about and DC thought was good, I have a hard time believing that they'd all part ways.

 

DC has a framework, Joss tried to write a script based on the comics but within the framework of the DCU, and it probably wasn't coming as easy as he thought it would.  Perhaps there are other external factors.  Perhaps they'd like a female writer and director.  But if Joss's script was good, those external factors would be secondary.

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Indeed, I get the impression that what he's saying is fundamentally true - he finds the character a deeply exciting prospect, but just couldn't find a specific story/script that would fit into this expanded universe nonsense they're still trying to get working.

 

It's worth remembering that the last big crisis of confidence we saw from Whedon was over Ultron, because he felt he'd failed to concentrate sufficiently on making one great movie, rather than spending his time setting up or paying off so many other ongoing threads. My impression is that Marvel have successfully reacted post-Civil War (which tied up a lot of what Ultron "wasted" its time on, and led me to not looking at Whedon's movie nearly so harshly when I watched it again recently) by letting Strange and Guardians (possibly the others, but I've not seen them) do a lot less of that stuff.

 

I wouldn't be surprised at all if his worry is not that there's not a decent Batgirl story to tell, but simply that he doesn't want to spend any more of his life making another Ultron.

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What in Ultron would you say qualifies as MCU mandates ruining the movie?  I haven't seen the movie in a while, but I'll try to guess.

 

The Thor stuff with the professor and him investigating his visions certainly seemed useless and stupid.  But it all lead to Thor creating Vision which was a big twist in the plot and certainly heavily related to the Ultron plotline.  I could have done without Thor's role in all of it though.

 

Hulk feeling bad about his destruction and thus exiling himself to setup Thor 3 was a minimal thread, and frankly a good one which brought us the Ironman vs. Hulk scene that's one of my favorites in the movie.

 

The vibranium plotline obviously ties into BP and rolls into the Vision plotline that is important.  Maybe you think they should have cut the entire Vibranium and Vision plotline?

 

The magic-induced fantasies were kind of useless to me overall.  They could have cut them out completely as far as I'm concerned.  Only one of them, Tony's, seemed relevant to the MCU in general.  Everything else just seemed like character development.  But again, I thought they were all shit.  Is this what you're talking about?

 

I really liked the Ultron character, and Tony and Rogers rift throughtout, now that I think of it all, it is kind of a mess of ideas.

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The hallucinations were a big part, yes. There was a LOT of work to get Vision created, much of which seemed to be excessive at the time. The whole Wakanda section seemed (again, at the time) to exist purely because the Hulkbuster was exciting to see in the trailer.

 

But overall, there's just so much setting up tension between the Avengers, when having to get over similar tension was much of the first hour of the first Avengers movie, all because we have a Civil War to set up.

 

As I say, I walked away from it really disappointed with the pacing, which is constantly running at too fast a rate to let any one idea breathe, but at the same time going on for far too long overall. Once you've seen Civil War it works a fair bit better, but my cinema viewing was so tiring I still don't own it on disc, and only saw it a second time because it was on TV.

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