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Disney have released their first Guardians of the Galaxy construction video:

 

 

That's the foundation for the huge ride building that will sit behind the Universe of Energy building (which will house the pre-show and load/unload, with a launch tunnel eventually connecting the two buildings). Crazy to think it's still three years away from completion. 

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Still on Guardians. These tweets made me laugh:

 

 

 

 

There's finally a themed wall up around Universe of Energy.

 

 

That's such a peaceful video within EPCOT. Love it. :) 

 

 

I'm growing more and more intrigued about how this will turn out, particularly since as a family friendly Space Mountain-seque coaster it will be up against the new family friendly Potter coaster at Universal (though I'd assume Potter will be ready to open a year or so in advance of Guardians). Disney are boasting that it will be one of the world's longest enclosed rollercoasters, and we know they've also been boasting for some time that it is based on a new "revolutionary ride system." 

 

It's generally thought that the Veokma ride cars will be able to rotate which may suggest the ride could direct the guest's view during sequences where things could slow down which would be interesting if it kind of ends up being a coaster by way of a dark ride instead of something more similar to Rock n'Rollercoaster (but without any inversions). At the very least, putting the entire queue and load/unload in the existing building should mean the pre-show is heavily themed.

 

It is thought that this is the ride system in testing:

 

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Some nice new arial photos of Star Wars construction (Florida version):

 

 

 

Although they are several months behind progress in Anaheim, that's the first look at the painted textures for the rock work I have seen in the image above. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anaheim meanwhile is beginning to look very Star Warsy as building shapes escalate:

 

 

Hopefully more trees mask those buildings in future though as you can see them from Rivers of America.

 

 

 

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On 2018-05-03 at 12:24 AM, Angry the Clown said:

Trackless stuff blows my mind. It's really surprising that Disney have taken as long as they have to put it to good use in the Florida Parks, which will of course change with Ratatouille and Mickey. Pooh's Honey Hunt in Tokyo and Mystic Manor in Shanghai look amazing and the best examples of trackless rides to date (the trackless ride in Planet Coaster seems to be inspired by Mystic Manor) so I hope Mickey lives up to the standard those two have set. Tokyo has a fun looking Monsters Inc trackless ride too.

 

I was doing some reading on the trackless attractions (Monsters Inc is on a track BTW) and was shocked to learn that Pooh is already 18 years old. 18 years and watching video of that ride still feels like it’s magic. I know they had quite a few issues with it in terms or reliability, but it’s still very surprising it hasn’t been used more. 

 

Unfortunately, Ratatouille isn’t the best showcase for it either (unless they’re planning something new to plus it up a bit). It’s probably the best ride system for that attraction, since it allows them to move the cars into a room, stop them in position and then move on when needed, but it doesn’t have the WOW factor Pooh has. 

 

I think it would have been great if the chase scene in Ratatouille had been a room similar to Pooh, where you are actually being “chased” and the 3 rat vehicles are running through the kitchen, around physical props, possibly integrated video (like Shanghai Pirates), air blasts, and maybe even water squirts and heat effects. Instead, you’re sitting still in a room looking at a screen.

 

I really think people are going to be somewhat disappointed when it opens. 

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12 hours ago, Graeme said:

 

I was doing some reading on the trackless attractions (Monsters Inc is on a track BTW) and was shocked to learn that Pooh is already 18 years old. 18 years and watching video of that ride still feels like it’s magic. I know they had quite a few issues with it in terms or reliability, but it’s still very surprising it hasn’t been used more. 

 

Unfortunately, Ratatouille isn’t the best showcase for it either (unless they’re planning something new to plus it up a bit). It’s probably the best ride system for that attraction, since it allows them to move the cars into a room, stop them in position and then move on when needed, but it doesn’t have the WOW factor Pooh has. 

 

It's crazy isn't it. I think my favourite bit is how the cars bounce during the Tigger sequence, and also the way it kind of turns into a tea cups ride at times as the cars separate and begin to spin around the room together but avoiding clashing. Again, I think we have to hope that Micky & Minnie over at the Studios meets or exceeds the level of ingenuity on display in Honey Hunt and Mystic Manor. 

 

Quite right re: Monsters Inc now that I look at it again. The track line is pretty well hidden. 

 

12 hours ago, Graeme said:

I think it would have been great if the chase scene in Ratatouille had been a room similar to Pooh, where you are actually being “chased” and the 3 rat vehicles are running through the kitchen, around physical props, possibly integrated video (like Shanghai Pirates), air blasts, and maybe even water squirts and heat effects. Instead, you’re sitting still in a room looking at a screen.

 

I really think people are going to be somewhat disappointed when it opens. 

 

I do try to be cautious with criticism when commenting on things I haven't seen or had a chance to ride in person, and I haven't been over to Paris to ride Ratatouille, but yes, none of the ride POV videos fill me with much enthusiasm. A trackless dark ride would have been lovely and more in the Disney tradition, and what such a great movies deserved (imagine Mystic Manor style mix of effects, sets, screens and animatronics for Ratatouille. That would have been brilliant). Having said all that, many people who have been on the ride in Paris seem to have enjoyed it a great deal, and it can churn through over 2000 riders per hour. The courtyard expansion to the France pavilion itself, leading up to the ride entrance, will also be very nice. I really should hop on the Eurostar and check the ride out, but it'd be difficult to convince me to visit the Paris studios park even if you paid me right now. 

 

Like Tron I expect a like for like clone with little or no added improvements (pretty sure I'd read from one or two reliable posters with insider knowledge at WDWMagic that parts of Ratatouille will even be scaled back in Florida, though seem to recall this will mostly affect the queue area. It's also not getting the Ratatouille restaurant itself, of course). 

 

Speaking of reliable posters at WDWMagic, there seems to be growing confidence in a Mary Poppins dark ride coming to the UK pavillion at EPCOT, with one suggesting that ground clearance could begin by the end of the summer. I hope that happens as that always struck me as an ideal prospect for a classic Disney dark ride. It will be interesting to see whether they theme it on the new film vs the old however (ideally I'd like it to be a unique story mixing elements and songs from both films. Even if the new film proves a smash hit I think guests would still expect some references and songs to the original film).

 

Low enthusiasm for Ratatouille aside, I am glad it is being added, and likewise Mary Poppins if it happens. I'm not too fussy about the idea of more attractions, even IP based ones, being added to the World Showcase. The argument for both of those having a home in Paris and UK respectively is also stronger than Frozen in Norway in my opinion. Likewise I wouldn't be upset with a Coco overlay to the ride in Mexico as Coco seemed like such a respectful embrace of the culture and heritage, although I'd hate to see the Three Caballeros disappear completely from that pavilion as they are a nice throwback to older Disney characters (and it's always great to see Donald show up in anything. I hope he is in the Mickey & Minnie train ride).

 

It sure would be nice to break away a little from IP at EPCOT with so much branded stuff coming, however. The fate of Imagination seems unknown, and supposedly will not be addressed until after WDW anniversary celebrations, but we know something is most certainly going on over at Wonders of Life (yes the roof is being repaired and spruced up, but there are definitely plans for something inside apparently as execs and imagineers have been spotted scoping it out. The rumours do point to an IP, though specifically what IP nobody has said). If we must see more IP crammed into the park then I think the Inside Out characters better serve something in Wonders of Live vs Imagination, that is assuming Wonders of Life even retains its Wonders of Life concept, and I am surprised nothing has been done with Wall-E in EPCOT as you've got space, robots and a cautionary tale about the environment which just screams EPCOT frankly. I guess I just want Future World to have some balance moving forward. OK, use IP's but use them in such a way so as not to stray too far from what those pavilions achieved and had to say in the past. I still think Test Track could go a year a two after Tron opens due to the visual similarities.

 

It's good that Guardians, Ratatouille and Mickey & Minnie will all be pre-50th anniversary attractions. I'm a little concerned about the fate of the Space restaurant at EPCOT as things have gone quiet (it's supposed to a 2019 addition if memory serves). It'd be a shame if it's been killed off like the Main St Theatre (though I don't consider the theatre a big loss if the money can be better spent elsewhere at this time). There still seems to be firm plan for a Brazil pavilion, and possibly even two more in the years following. It's definitely interesting times for EPCOT, the problem for me is its expansion is kind of the major factor that will dictate when I finally go back to WDW.

 

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On 07/05/2018 at 11:10 AM, Angry the Clown said:

I'm a little concerned about the fate of the Space restaurant at EPCOT as things have gone quiet (it's supposed to a 2019 addition if memory serves). It'd be a shame if it's been killed off like the Main St Theatre (though I don't consider the theatre a big loss if the money can be better spent elsewhere at this time). 

 

 

Funnily enough Disney today confirmed the Space restaurant's location, and just as the reliable insiders over at WDWMagic have been saying for months, it will live between Mission Space and Test Track. Good to hear something official on it at least as it gives me hope it will still indeed happen.  

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Some Universal news. The Hollywood version of the Jurassic Park ride is closing in Sept and undergoing a major refurb, which will allegedly re-theme it to Jurassic World.

 

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Inside Universal has learned that the planned closure for Jurassic Park River Adventure at Universal Studios Hollywood is set for Sept 3, 2018, following the Labor Day weekend and will reopen as an all-new attraction in 2019.

 

The refurbishment is set to overhaul and modernize scenes throughout the existing ride design, and feature all-new animatronic elements, to bring the current Jurassic World story to life.

 

http://www.insideuniversal.net/2018/05/jurassic-park-the-ride-set-to-close-late-2018-for-major-refurbishment-at-universal-studios-hollywood/

 

 

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Happy to see it getting some love. Not so happy about it being themed to Jurassic World. I hope they don’t change the T-Rex to the latest fantasy dinosaur. 

 

The Hollywood version is already the superior of the two. 

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3 hours ago, Graeme said:

 

The Hollywood version is already the superior of the two. 

 

I retract this statement. Apparently they made some changes a few years ago which changed and turned off some effects that has diminished its enjoyability (the Jeep doesn’t fall, the T-Rex isn’t hidden well, animatronics don’t move as much and the lift hill/drop building is over lit). Hopefully they fix some of this in the refurb.  

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I never understood why the Florida version was scaled back considering it was built after LA and was one of IOA's major opening attractions. I know there's a raptor cage instead of the jeep before the lift hill, but you don't get the Rex bursting through the ceiling in Florida, do you?

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From Universal’s Website:

 

On this river-raft adventure, get doused as a colossal Mosasaursus dives for its great white shark snack. But the real danger lies ahead when the brutal Indominus rex escapes its enclosure. Be prepared when a 50-foot Tyrannosaurs rex comes to your rescue… right before your final plunge down a treacherous 84-foot waterfall.

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Hopefully they won't turn heavily to screen effects to depict any of that new stuff. So at a guess... Mosasaurus probably sends the boat off course now, Indominus enclosure replaces raptor enclosure (and probably Rex head through the ceiling), and then Rex before the drop stays where she is? 

 

I wonder if lack of Orlando update lends credence to the rumour of Jurassic Park staying at IOA, and Jurassic World getting something of its own at the third gate.

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I’m always surprised as to how much there is in Asia that we rarely hear about. Parks that I barely know exist, and attractions I’ve never seen before.

 

https://orlandoinformer.com/blog/universal-studios-beijing-most-expensive-theme-park-world/

 

This article outlines some of the plans for Universal Shanghai Resort, which Universal is planning to spend 6.5 Billion to build, which is 1 Billion more than Shanghai Disneyland cost. It will be interesting to see how it develops and what attractions they decide to build there. 

 

 

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Crazy. I was doing some reading and youtubing on the stalled Dubai park recently. Quite fascinating. 

 

I have a family member working in China, so I still may have the option to visit and see some of the parks out there, but I really wan't to get out to Japan to visit Disneyland and DisneySea, as well as Universal Osaka. Japan's Universal park still has Jaws, and they also has a Snoopy section, so that's another big plus. :)  Curiously they have some really random non IP themed rides (Space Fantasy: THE RIDE! and another called Hollywood Dream).

 

Have you seen the Universal Singapore variant of Jurassic Park? It's a rapids ride instead of a boat. Interesting to see the same ride concept but executed with a different method. 

 

I'm actually really surprised Universal have not yet established a park in Europe. Paramount were looking to do a park in the UK, but ultimately pulled out of the branding deal with the planning  company proposing to build it (110 acre landfill plot). It's rumoured that Universal was interested in taking Paramount's place but I've heard nothing recent on that front. I'd be surprised if it happened. 

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53 minutes ago, Angry the Clown said:

Have you seen the Universal Singapore variant of Jurassic Park? It's a rapids ride instead of a boat. Interesting to see the same ride concept but executed with a different method. 

 

I knew about it before, but just watched a video after posting earlier.

 

One thing I always thought the Jurassic Park area at IOA could do better, was to have more to make it feel like you’re actually at a Dinosaur zoo/theme park. After the sick triceratops encounter closed, it’s really just the River Ride, the flyers ride and what’s in the Visitors center. They have the Raptor encounter show now, which is cool, but is pretty much a glorified photo op. 

 

Japan has a pretty cool looking show with walk around raptors (and a Chris Pratt  like handler) and a Spinosaur that pokes its head out from behind fenced trees.

 

Singapore has street show with a Raptor in a truck. 

 

It would be great if IOA had more stuff like this to make it feel more like what a Jurassic Park would actually be like. 

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Man we probably rode Jurassic Park about 40 times. 

 

Most likely it'll be a mix of screen and ride like Kong Skull Island (which is right next to the jurassic park area).

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5 hours ago, AlbertA said:

Most likely it'll be a mix of screen and ride like Kong Skull Island (which is right next to the jurassic park area)

 

The changes are currently only happening at Hollywood. The ride itself is pretty much remaining the same, with some changes and enhancements. What Angry has guessed is probably pretty close to what it will be. If there are any screens, I think it would be pretty minimal and would not be simulating movement.

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Loki escorts 2 little girls dressed as Loki and Thor through DCA, planning attacks against other Avengers. It’s pretty adorable. 

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9 hours ago, Graeme said:

 

I knew about it before, but just watched a video after posting earlier.

 

One thing I always thought the Jurassic Park area at IOA could do better, was to have more to make it feel like you’re actually at a Dinosaur zoo/theme park. After the sick triceratops encounter closed, it’s really just the River Ride, the flyers ride and what’s in the Visitors center. They have the Raptor encounter show now, which is cool, but is pretty much a glorified photo op. 

 

Japan has a pretty cool looking show with walk around raptors (and a Chris Pratt  like handler) and a Spinosaur that pokes its head out from behind fenced trees.

 

Singapore has street show with a Raptor in a truck. 

 

It would be great if IOA had more stuff like this to make it feel more like what a Jurassic Park would actually be like. 

 

Yes it always looked like it never quite met its potential as an immersive area.

 

It’s fun to watch the old videos of some people checking out the Triceratops Encounter long after it had shut down as it was left standing, with partially stripped and decaying animatronics in place, for ages (Adam the Woo broke back there, amongst others). I wonder if they will ever re-use that space. Most recent video on YouTube is from last December and a kid good back there. It’s much the same but with the animatronics gone now and there seems to be some construction repair work set up.

 

Was there any truth to the ancient talk of a jeep ride or was that born out of fan imagination that snowballed into the belief that it was a real project?

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Graeme said:

 

Loki escorts 2 little girls dressed as Loki and Thor through DCA, planning attacks against other Avengers. It’s pretty adorable. 

 

Wow that is cute. The squeaking in time with one of the little ones walking... :lol: What was that? Just makes it more adorable.

 

That must be the longest character interaction I have ever seen too. Usually I find videos of the live actor character interactions a little awkward but he’s very good.

 

 

 

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The last 2 episodes of Defuntland are really quite something special. He’s really stepped up his game in season 2. These two episodes make me relieved that Disneyland Paris is still around, and make me pine for an attraction that I’ve never ridden (in any form). My one big disappointment when visiting DLP was that Space Mountain (and the Nautilus) was closed. 

 

Of course, if it was open, it would have been Mission 2. 

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Great episodes, I agree. I always wondered what in the hell would have become of EuroDisney had they actually shut it down. Can you imagine the photos and videos of everything being demolished? :o It's incredible being reminded how close that that came to happening. 

 

I was looking into whether I can afford to make it out to Disney Paris for the half marathon this September, but I doubt I can. It better be right that Mission 2 will be back up and running by the time I intend to go for the run next year, however. I would have dearly loved to have ridden the From Earth to the Moon original too. I love Star Wars but good God... I watch Fresh Baked (Anaheim and Florida), I watch Tim Tracker and occasionally some other walk-around park vloggers and right now were I in Florida I would find the Star Wars presence an incredible test of my patience. I watched one video where they were showing Star Wars merchandise nonsensically on sale at Animal Kingdom, and there was some Star Wars stuff up on Sunset Blvd at the Studios. It's just EVERYWHERE in that park (Disneyland meanwhile seems to have a better grip of it).

 

I can cut the Studios some slack until it becomes a proper park with some variety again, but I really hope that eventually Star Wars does not spill out beyond Star Tours, the Star Tours store and the entire friggin' land dedicated to the IP. I hope the Launch Bay goes away in 2019/2020 and they do something interesting with that courtyard area. My fear is it might remain in order to have a bigger presence to sell the branded Star Wars stuff you won't be able to find in Galaxy's Edge itself (and Star Tours is probably going to go eventually, so they're going to want to keep the branded goods somewhere outside of the land itself). 

 

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I hate food waste, so this latest Rob Plays video was really fascinating as up until now I didn't know what Disney did to tackle the problem on their own property:

 

 

 

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^--so Doc Brown was right on Back to the Future - pretty impressive.

 

I wonder how many watts they actually generate though.

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