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Marvels Black Panther - New Trailer!

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1 hour ago, NickC said:

Black Panther Trailer 2

 

 

Not as good as the first one

 

 

 

I respectfully disagree. Not necessarily crazy about it, but I found my interest in the movie raised a bit by this trailer, & not so much by the first. 

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Yeah I think that's a better trailer than the first as well. Looks bad ass. Love the cast, love the director.  All over it when it releases.

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I've always preferred the more down-to-earth plot lines so that when things get super crazy in movies like the Avengers there is a impactful distance.  This movie looks more like Thor and Guardians of the Galaxy than Winter Soldier.  And I wish that wasn't the case.  

 

I understand that Wakanda is supposed to be this advanced society, and it could be cool seeing Black Panther kick some ass, and this might set up Wakanda for a mighty fall in Infinity War, but I'm a little disappointed that Black Panther isn't more on-the-ground political instead of in the sky crazy.

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1 hour ago, JoeyN said:

It’s a spy thriller.

 

Yep. Don't let Wakanda being super advanced fool you. Black Panther is all about the throne,  politics surrounding the throne and those trying to get at it.

 

Boseman sounds like he's channeling Mandela with that accent, too.

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9 hours ago, foogledricks said:

I've always preferred the more down-to-earth plot lines so that when things get super crazy in movies like the Avengers there is a impactful distance.  This movie looks more like Thor and Guardians of the Galaxy than Winter Soldier.  And I wish that wasn't the case.  

 

I understand that Wakanda is supposed to be this advanced society, and it could be cool seeing Black Panther kick some ass, and this might set up Wakanda for a mighty fall in Infinity War, but I'm a little disappointed that Black Panther isn't more on-the-ground political instead of in the sky crazy.

 

 

From this trailer I felt like this movie and location was a bit of a bridge, between the common world we live in and are used to (with the super heros) and the other worldly realms such as in Thor and Guardians. I don't know if that was the intent, but that's what it felt like.

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The movie takes place on Earth. Wakanda  is light years ahead technology wise then the rest of the world, but they stayed very isolated. Everyone thinks they are just a small African nation. Thus all the stuff from Civil War.  Black Panther is a main player in the Marvel Universe when it comes to behind the scenes events.

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30 minutes ago, Angry the Clown said:

I thought this was fantastic. Easily one of my favourite Marvel films. 

 

- People say the villain is one of the best.  The best was Loki.  What say you?

- Some said there isn't a lot of ass-kicking by the protagonist.  Is that right?

- It is James Bondy?  Is that true?

- It is a political thriller.  Does that mean it is less kid friendly?  My daughter needs action or she gets bored

- How does this compare to Winter Soldier

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5 hours ago, foogledricks said:

 

- People say the villain is one of the best.  The best was Loki.  What say you?

 

 

Loki is (rightly) loved for being something of a pantomime villain. Michael B Jordan's character obviously isn't that. He's perhaps not too dissimilar to Zemo in Civil War in some respects as far as complicated motivations are concerned, but I think it's a stronger character here as more people are surely going to be able relate to Michael B Jordan's character than Zemo given that Jordan's character comes from a background that's going to resonate with a lot of viewers, and the type of anger that drives him is difficult not to empathise with whether it be family related, or poltically and racially related (his motivation is a mix of all three). To that end I wish the film delved a little deeper with him than it does, but I guess you ultimately have to remember what kind of movie this also has to serve to be, but when you do that you realise just how brilliant a thing it is that a studio is allowing movies like this to address these kind of subjects at all. 

 

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- Some said there isn't a lot of ass-kicking by the protagonist.  Is that right?

 

 

Hmm. Yes, that is perhaps fair. The movie only really has two action sequences. It feels right for the character though, that he's a diplomat first, but by no means afraid of standing down or running from a fight. That seems consistent with what we saw in Civil War. A message comes to him to (I'm paraphrasing) keep the right kind of people around him. He's not a one man army, and certainly needs the women in his life who are more than capable of joining in with said ass-kicking.

 

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- It is James Bondy?  Is that true?

 

 

YES! ... for one brilliant sequence at least it veers off into similar territory to the casino scene in Skyfall, but even more stylish. That's about when the movie went from really like to downright love for me, and it's not even that far into the running time. Also, I guess Shuri is something of a Q like figure in Wakanda (albeit on a whole other level of gifted).

 

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- It is a political thriller.  Does that mean it is less kid friendly?  My daughter needs action or she gets bored

 

 

That's a good question. It's a kids holiday here and there were quite a few 9-12yr olds in the audience who seemed pretty captivated by it. I don't know if I would really class it as a political thriller to be honest. There's some carry over from Civil War relating to T'Challa's father, but beyond that it is quite a wonderful mix of genres (one scene might be akin to something out of a spy movie, another scene like a nod to an old sword and sandal battle). It doesn't shy from being visually fantastical (the HDR version of this is going to be a treat), and Wakanda is so vibrant. The women amongst the cast are superb, and definitely the type of characters I'd hope young girls watching would get a kick out of seeing.

 

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- How does this compare to Winter Soldier
 

 

 

I might rate them similarly on reflection some day. Black Panther is just so uniquely interesting. Even beyond the obvious of what this movie is going to mean to a lot of people, the characters, their motivations, the juxtaposition of that kind of heritage and phenomenal technological prowess is really engaging (and it's unquestionably the finest cast assembled for any Marvel movie). 

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26 minutes ago, NickC said:

Didn't realize the UK had this a full two days before US. I have tickets for Saturday morning.

 

Is Infinity War still 4th of May in the US as it's 27th of April here which seems crazy given how spoilery that movie is surely going to be (in fact it seems to be opening that final week of April everywhere but there US, with Australia and some EU territories getting it on the 25th).

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31 minutes ago, Angry the Clown said:

 

Is Infinity War still 4th of May in the US as it's 27th of April here which seems crazy given how spoilery that movie is surely going to be (in fact it seems to be opening that final week of April everywhere but there US, with Australia and some EU territories getting it on the 25th).

 

Now that's some nonsense, a full week before the US release.

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16 minutes ago, NickC said:

 

 

Now that's some nonsense, a full week before the US release.

 

I seem to recall the first Avengers being released just as early here. I know I saw that and Ultron before you guys. I feel bad as I'm not nearly as invested in these movies as so many of you, and I like sharing in all your excitement and reading the thoughts of those more familiar with the source material. 

 

 

Two credit scenes in Black Panther, incidentally. One after the (really cool) animated portion of the end titles, which is a scene I kind of feel should have been in the body of the film itself as it makes an important point that resonates particularly strongly in our current political climate. The second comes at the very end of the credits.

 

I hope Ludwig Goransson's score gets a release soon (a score album is coming according to the end titles). It's terrific.

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I know the international markets tend to be the major point of focus for Hollywood these days (there isn't much tentpole stuff we don't get 1 or 2 days before the US these days), and that they obviously need some spread out of release dates to accommodate flying the key cast & crew all over the world to do the press and attend the premieres, but Infinity War just feels like something fans the world over should be experiencing together. They had the trailer before Black Panther today and you could really sense the level of excitement so much of the audience had for it. Even though I'm not as personally invested I still got a kick out of other peoples reaction (also true for some of the crowd reaction to Black Panther). As I've said for what seems like years now, I'm immensely fascinated to see Infinity War as I am eager to see how on Earth they pull something like that off. 

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Goransson's score will be released this Friday. Digital only release sadly, though I am not sure if this will include a high res download release (the score to Guardians vol2 had no CD but did have 16 bit and 24bit downloads, so hopefully the same will happen here).

 

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BIG orchestra, African percussion and choir on this. Really looking forward to hearing it in isolation.  I like Goransson's work a lot. Really glad he got to continue working with Coogler on this one.

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It calls back primarily to Civil War but not in a way that requires anyone to have seen it as it relays the key points. It really is an excellent standalone product (I did have to dm Joey to remind me about when/how Serkis lost an arm though, but that’s not something you need to have seen in Ultron going into this, I just thought I had missed something).

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Marvel has clearly mandated that these movies need to be standalone.  They have almost surprisingly kept these movies in a box.  To the point where I get annoyed that tons of people are dying in Iron Man 3 and where the fuck are the rest of the Avengers damn it!  Or even in the Avengers movie where NY is under siege, where is Luke Cage, Spiderman, the FF, X-men, and all the other people who might care that NY is being destroyed by aliens.  Of course, Infinity War will be sort of the antidote to that.  All hands on deck.

 

It is good that they box these movies off. Otherwise each of these movies would feel like an episode of 24, drawn out and stretched out. 

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