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The thread is continuing the discussion from the previous 360 discussion threads which can all be found here:

 

**ADMIN NOTE**

 

This is a continuation of multiple Xbox 360 discussion threads. You can view and read all of said discussion in the following threads:

 

box 360 Pre-Launch Discussion Part I

 

Xbox 360 Pre-Launch Discussion Part II

 

Xbox 360 Pre-Launch Discussion Part III

 

Xbox 360 Pre-Launch Discussion Part IV

 

Xbox 360 System Launch and Pricing

 

Xbox 360 System Launch and X05 Event

 

Xbox 360 Post Launch Discussion Part I

 

Xbox 360 Post Launch Discussion Part II

 

Xbox 360 Post Launch Discussion Part III

 

Xbox 360 Discussion Thread Part IV

 

Xbox 360 Discussion Thread Part V

 

Xbox 360 Discussion Thread Part VI

 

Xbox 360 Discussion Thread Part VII

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There's a few lists already out there for the game installs on the NXE. I figure for posterity and to make it easy here's a big list of the game install sizes and some notes on the performance for a few. The list can be found right here.

 

Game - Install Size - Notes

- All Pro Football 2k8 (5.0 GB)

- Amped 3 (6.7 GB)

- Army of Two (5.7 GB)

- Assassin's Creed (6.7 GB) -- Jerusalem load 39.5 seconds (DVD) vs 25 seconds (HDD)

- Battlefield: Bad Company (6.5 GB)

- Battlestations: Midway (5.5 GB)

- Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts (6.6 GB) -- very short load times (little to none). oh and buy this game.

- Beautiful Katamari (3.4 GB)

- BioShock (6.1 GB) -- Point Prometheus level 35 seconds (DVD) vs 24.5 seconds (HDD)

- Blazing Angels (3.4 GB)

- Blue Dragon (19.9 GB for all disks - 6.6 GB, 6.5 GB, 6.8 GB)

- Brother's in Arms: Hell's Highway (5.2 GB)

- Bullet Witch (5.2 GB)

- Bully: Scholarship Edition (3.4 GB)

- Burnout Revenge (4.4 GB)

- Burnout Paradise (3.4 GB)

- C&C: Tiberium Wars (6.6 GB)

- Call of Duty 2 (6.0 GB) -- saves 2-3 seconds each loadtime

- Call of Duty 3 (5.8 GB)

- Call of Duty 4 (6.7 GB)

- Cars (5.2 GB)

- Chromehounds (4.2 GB)

- Civilization Revolution (6.3 GB)

- Clive Barker's Jericho (5.6 GB)

- Colin McRae Dirt (6.4 GB)

- Command & Conquer 3 (3.6GB)

- Condemned (5.4 GB)

- Condemned 2 (6.8 GB)

- Dead or Alive 4 (6.8GB)

- Dead Rising (6.6 GB)

- Devil May Cry 4 (6.7 GB)

- Dynasty Warriors Gundam (5.6 GB)

- Earth Defense Force 2017 (3.4 GB)

- Eternal Sonata (6.8 GB)

- Fable 2 (6.8 GB) -- the brief pause/lag when accessing inventory menus is gone or noticeably reduced

- Fallout 3 (5.9 GB)

- Far Cry 2 (4.5 GB)

- FIFA 09 (6.0 GB)

- Fight Night Round 3 (3.4 GB)

- Flatout Ultimate Carnage (4.9 GB)

- Forza 2 (5.3 GB)

- Full Auto (3.4 GB)

- Gears of War (6.5 GB)

- Gears of War 2 (6.7 GB) initial load 8 seconds shorter

- Ghost Recon: Advance Warfighter (5.2 GB)

- Ghost Recon: Advance Warfighter 2 (6.8 GB)

- Grand Theft Auto IV (6.7 GB) -- decreases initial load time from 46.5 to 33 seconds

- GRID (6.6 GB)

- Guitar Hero 2 (3.4 GB)

- GUN (3.6 GB)

- Hitman: Blood Money (5.8 GB)

- Halo 3 (6.3 GB) -- load times are apparently worse (10 seconds longer) when installed

- Infinite Undiscovery (12.5 GB for both discs, disc 1 6GB disc 2 6.5GB)

- Kameo (5.9 GB)

- King Kong (6.5 GB)

- Lord of the Rings: Battle For Middle Earth (4.4 GB)

- Lost Planet (6.8 GB)

- Lost: Via Domus (4.2 GB)

- Lost Odyssey (23.2 GB for all discs: 5.8, 5.2, 6.3, and 6.2) -- 2 times faster playing off HDD (video)

- Mass Effect (6.8 GB) -- No more "Loading" pauses when moving too fast. Elevator load times are identical (hardcoded)

- Mercenaries 2 (6.7 GB)

- Midnight Club: LA (6.0 GB)

- Mirror's Edge (5.7 GB)

- Need for Speed Most Wanted (6.8 GB)

- NHL 09 (5.7 GB)

- Ninja Gaiden II (6.8 GB) -- 125 seconds initial load on DVD, 45 seconds off HDD. No loading when selecting a weapon from quick switch menu

- Overlord (3.4 GB)

- Perfect Dark Zero (4.9 GB)

- Pro Evolution Soccer 6 (3.4 GB)

- Project Gotham Racing 3 (6.2 GB)

- Project Gotham Racing 4 (6.0 GB) -- average load is 6-10 seconds shorter, but audio crackles/pops while racing when playing off HDD

- Rainbow Six Vegas (6.7 GB)

- Ridge Racer 6 (6.5 GB)

- Rock Band (5.2 GB)

- Rock Band 2 (6.3GB)

- Saints Row (6.8 GB)

- Saints Row 2 (6.8 GB)

- Scene It (6.8 GB)

- SEGA Rally (4.2 GB)

- Shadowrun (4.3 GB)

- Soul Calibur IV (5.9 GB)

- Splinter Cell: Double Agent (6.8 GB)

- Star Trek Legacy (5.7 GB)

- Star Wars: Force Unleashed (6.6 GB)

- Stranglehold (6.7 GB)

- Stuntman Ignition (5.8 GB)

- Table Tennis (3.4 GB)

- Tales of Vesperia (5.9 GB)

- The Club (5.2 GB)

- The Darkness (6.8 GB)

- The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (6.7 GB) -- Great Forest loadtime 44.5 seconds (DVD) vs 31 seconds (HDD)

- The Orange Box (4.7 GB) -- HL2 load time cut in half (44.5 vs 25.5 seconds), loading saved game 'We don't go there any more' shaved off 32 seconds

- Tiger Woods PGA Tour 09 (6.0 GB)

- Tomb Raider Anniversary (6.4 GB)

- Tomb Raider Legend (6.7 GB)

- Tony Hawk's American Wasteland (5.0 GB)

- Too Human (6.2 GB)

- Two Worlds (3.4 GB)

- Unreal Tournament 3 (6.4 GB)

- Viking:Battle for Asgard (5.9 GB)

- Virtua Fighter 5 (4.7 GB)

- Virtua Tennis 3 (4.1 GB)

- Viva Pi?ata (5.0 GB)

- Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradise (5.2 GB)

- Warriors Orochi (6.4 GB)

- Warriors Orochi 2 (6.8 GB)

- Wartech Senko no Ronde (3.4GB)

- WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2007 (6.8 GB)

- WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2008 (5.8 GB)

- WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2009 (6.6 GB)

- Xbox Live Arcade Compilation Disc (5.9 GB)

 

CAG also has a list you can fine right here. As does the AV forum. You can check out thier list right here.

 

Also here's a list of a few games that are unsupported:

 

Games "not supported" for installation

When you try to install these games you'll get an error that says "Installation of this game is not supported."

 

- Burger King trilogy - Big Bumpin, Pocketbike Racer, Sneak King

- Crackdown

- Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball 2

- Quake II (included on Quake IV bonus disk)

 

A few loading comparisons:

 

Game loading comparison chart

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Also ,before anyone asks, the reason that Halo 3 load times are longer as per Luke Smith at Bungie:

 

Jokes aside, installation for 360 games wasn't really something we were told about while Halo 3 was in development. Like someone above said, we had to get the game running under the parameters we (and tons of other devs) were given (i.e., 'no hard drive, no problem') and Noguchi's cache-system is a huge part of why it runs as awesome as it does in the no-HDD environment. Games that use the cache memory extensively aren't going to see much if any benefit from installing on the 360 since the data transfer from the HDD is slower than it is from the disc if the disc is spinning information to the cache.
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Ill be installing the latest 5/6 games Im playing on there (Gears, COD, L4D, Banjo and Dead Space) when wednesday comes. Pretty much for the same reasons as Romar mentioned. Not having the disc spinning so a lot less noise, and less wear and tear on the main drive. Some of the games like Lost Odyssey which is multi disc makes a big difference.

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Some of those time savings look great to me, though I really don't remember load times being anywhere near that bad in Assassin's Creed...

 

I'm also mostly excited just to keep the drive quiet, though.

 

Too bad I waited so long to bug MS for my HDD transfer kit. I might have to wait a few days after the update before I have the space...

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Question for those who have traded in a 360 at Gamestop (and this might have been answered...I'll go check the last thread after this). Do they require you to trade in the hard drive? I have a Guitar Hero bundle that I have yet to open and am tempted to return it and trade in my current system to get a newer 360 and the 120 gig hard drive. I know I can get the transfer cable free from MS, but I would need to have the old hard drive if I wanted to play while I wait for it to be delivered.

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Question for those who have traded in a 360 at Gamestop (and this might have been answered...I'll go check the last thread after this). Do they require you to trade in the hard drive?

 

They do not require the HDD. They just give you less money without it.

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