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18 minutes ago, Angry the Clown said:

What is it that’s making these Nikon and Canon lenses so chonky? Is it primarily the modern sophisticated AF mechanisms? 

 

I have no idea how optics work, but you'd think with wider mounts that the lenses could be shorter or "flatter" but the opposite seems to be the case. A lot of the nikon z primes are longer than I'd thought they'd need to be. 

 

Canon news tonight?

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26 minutes ago, Starhawk said:

Canon news tonight?


Canonrumors seems less certain of the R5 reveal happening with everything else tonight but we’ll see. 
 

Would people object if the R5 was of a similar size to a 5D I wonder? (not that this has been rumoured). I really see no benefit to these smaller bodies if users are to be left pairing them with such enormous lenses. It’s always been one of Fuji’s core arguments for not doing mirrorless full frame.

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6 minutes ago, Angry the Clown said:

Canonrumors seems less certain of the R5 reveal happening with everything else tonight but we’ll see. 

 

 I just saw this in their forums on that post:

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I’m surprised Fuji isn’t similarly cautious thanks to Fujirumours who had all specs (save price and weather sealing accuracy) correct right up to the point of the X100v’s reveal, as well as accurately dating the X-T4 announcement well ahead of Fuji doing so themselves.

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And here it is...

 

 

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MELVILLE, NY, February 12, 2020 – Canon U.S.A. Inc., a leader in digital imaging solutions, today announced that its parent company, Canon Inc., is developing the highly anticipated Canon EOS R5 full-frame mirrorless camera. The camera will feature a newly designed CMOS sensor and new image processor, along with new state-of-the-art optical technologies the company has been able to cultivate through its long history of groundbreaking camera and digital imaging solutions development. In addition, Canon plans to release seven RF lenses and two RF lens extenders that are currently in development. These new photography tools will help to continue to strengthen the EOS R system and cement the RF mount as an industry leader.

 

“Today’s announcement comes as a direct result of the tireless effort of Canon engineers who have been tasked with developing the next generation of Canon EOS R camera and RF lenses to help elevate the popular system that was announced in 2018,” said Kazuto Ogawa, president and chief operating officer, Canon U.S.A., Inc. “In developing the new camera, Canon listened to extensive user-feedback from a variety of photographers. The outcome is a camera and lenses that will delight a variety of shooters and further helps to demonstrate Canon’s commitment to full-frame mirrorless cameras and lenses.”

 

The EOS R System was initially developed to provide engineers with the ability to design lenses that were thought to be impossible to create previously. The wide lens mount diameter, shorter back focus, and high-speed system for transmitting data between camera and lens have resulted in an imaging system that delivers higher image quality and greater ease-of-use than ever before.

 

The new full-frame mirrorless camera currently under development will fully leverage the advantages of the EOS R System, helping to produce a camera that features high-speed continuous shooting and 8K video recording. Furthermore, the camera will provide photographers with more efficient workflows thanks to improved transmission functionality, operability and reliability. These enhancements, along with many others, will help to further elevate and solidify the EOS Series concept of “Speed, Comfort and High-Image-Quality.”

 

Canon’s EOS R5, the first of the next generation of full-frame mirrorless cameras planned for EOS R System, will include a newly developed CMOS sensor. The new sensor will enable enhanced features such as high-speed continuous shooting up to approximately 20 frames-per-second (FPS) when using the silent shutter and up to approximately 12 FPS when using the mechanical shutter – A feature professional sports and wildlife photographers will find to be extremely impactful on their ability to capture fast-moving subjects. From a video perspective, the camera’s 8K video capture capability will prepare videographers for the future of movie-making- capturing 8K footage today allows for even higher-quality 4K productions in addition to the ability to extract high-resolution still images from the video footage. The EOS R5 will be the first Canon camera equipped with IBIS (In Body Image Stabilization) and when used in conjunction with the extremely effective in-lens stabilization (IS), will allow photographers to handhold the camera in light levels not previously imagined. Additionally, the camera will also feature dual-card slots and will support the automatic transfer of image files from the device to the new image.canon cloud platform.

 

Alongside the EOS R5, Canon is also developing seven RF lenses and two RF lens extenders scheduled for release during 2020, including the RF 100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM, Extender RF 1.4x and Extender RF 2x.

 

Additional Information

 

Reference exhibits for the EOS R5 and RF 100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM, Extender RF 1.4x and Extender RF 2x will be on display in the Canon booth at the CP+ Camera and Photo Imaging Show 2020, to be held from February 27 to March 1 at the Pacifico Yokohama convention hall in Yokohama, Japan.

 

A preview of the EOS R5 will be on display at the 2020 WPPI Show (February 25-27) in Las Vegas.

 

 

Obviously they're keeping quiet on the price right now. I'm surprised they confirmed much of the leaked spec but did not actually specify the sensor resolution. The 8K confirmation is impressive, although it remains to be seen how that gets implemented. It's going to be very interesting to find out what the codec is, what in camera video production features it genuinely offers (typically the area Canon will short change their cameras so as not to harm their dedicated cinema lineup), what the output options are and of course, what the crop might be at various resolutions/framerates. 

 

Also seven new lenses for 2020 is good. I really hope a couple of them are smaller, higher quality, non L primes.

 

I can't get a good sense of its size. The mounted 24-105 seems a little better balanced on it compared to an R, maybe? Space between grip and the lends looks awfully tight though. These days I can't even tell if I am looking at an actual product of a CG render in these kinds of product videos however. What's weird is the 24-105 looks shorter mounted on the R5 here than it does on an R. You'd think the body surely has to be bigger than the R on account of all the processing that's going to be going on under the hood here.

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7 hours ago, Angry the Clown said:

Also seven new lenses for 2020 is good. I really hope a couple of them are smaller, higher quality, non L primes.

 

Same. Although looking at their roadmap graphic, the 24-105mm and the 100-500mm already take up two of those spots.

 

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I was thinking that I’d sooner see them do an RF update of the EF 50mm 1.4 than I would the cheaper 1.8. Not that I am in the market for anything like the R5 mind you.

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On 2/11/2020 at 12:45 PM, Brandon H said:

And to be honest, for quick vacation trips and when I’m headed on a business trip somewhere interesting, I still often just grab my M5. Its controls make it a joy to use and it’s just easier to pack about. I limit myself to the 18-150mm kit lens and make myself get creative with it.

 

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CP+ has been cancelled due to Coronavirus fears which now leaves WPPI in Vegas as the first public debut of the R5 (whether it will be a genuine debut or a pre-production body entombed in a perspex box is anyone’s guess. 
 

I’ve been wondering whether attempts to contain the coronavirus may affect rollout of new electronics expected in the coming weeks/months (X100V...etc).

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12 hours ago, Brandon H said:

Hey, it’s the only lens I have for the body that doesn’t require the EF to EF-M adapter... 😉

 

Just ribbing ya! I read that as, "I limit myself to practically the entire focal range of hand-holdable lenses and make myself get creative with it." 😛

 

How are you liking the M5? I still have a few M(1)'s and often come dangerously close to upgrading for travel purposes.

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I love the M5. I had an M as well and never loved it. It always seemed a step slow to focus and I just prefer a viewfinder to “live” shooting. The M5 addresses those concerns and also is, to me, still the easiest Canon camera to use (although the R is close.) I can adjust aperture, ISO and shutter speed by feel alone, which I can’t do with any of my full-sized bodies.

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