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1 hour ago, Eldorado said:

That might be true, but nobody is expecting the Snyder cut to be great.  Well except maybe Joey.  But I think everyone expected WW84 to at least be decent based on the pedigree of the first the film.  Expectations make for some mighty shoes to fill, but thems the breaks.

 

Me? I have said from the start it will be a disaster. I have disliked most of the DC films, and I am a huge dc comic fan.

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I love the Nolan movies.  I love the MCU  movies.  There is just no getting around the fact that these DC movies belong in the shit heap with the Fantastic Four movies.  Which is a travesty since BvS

Well James Gunn has apparently been hired by Warner Brothers to write and possibly direct Suicide Squad 2.         https://www.thewrap.com/james-gunn-suicide-squad-2-for-

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Can someone enlighten me about this whole Joss Wheaton controversy with Justice League? Ray Fisher said this:

 

 

 

That sounds pretty bad. But I hate when people smear someone with no details. Because we all know there are two sides to every story, so if you provide no details, we're left to speculate based on the words 'gross' and 'abusive' which have a wide spectrum of potential meaning. Did Joss tea bag him in his sleep, or did he accidentally take and eat Fisher's egg roll from the fridge?

 

The only detail I found was something about Joss not letting Fisher read the script until they met and Joss not taking Fisher's script changes seriously. If Joss did really bad stuff, then screw him, I hope he gets put on the list of asshole directors. But if Fisher is being an entitled diva actor, screw him for airing the dirty laundry publicly, and I hope he gets put on a list of difficult actors.

 

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I’m curious about this too but, I never read anything more than Fisher not feeling like his suggestions were being recognized. Can’t recall any other films where Whedon was called out as gross or abusive either. Does anyone know what all this is based on?

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There was an entire investigation done by WB on it. Cyborg was supposed to have a much larger role in Snyder’s cut, but whedon pretty much cut it all out. Full details have never been released, but other cast members have hinted they did not get along with Whedon either.  Geoff Johns was mentioned it a few of the complaints, which is kind of shocking. After the investigation whedon left two projects he was working on (one for HBO). 

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Thanks - the lack of details means I guess we just don’t know enough about all this BTS stuff. If a few other cast members said they weren’t getting along with Whedon too that does give it weight but who really knows - that film was cursed from the outset. My only other thought is that I can’t imagine how more of Cyborg would make that movie  better. 

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Just catching up on the thread. Claims abound of Whedon being an abusive creep in terms of how he’s treated his ex-wife and a number of female cast over the years, but in this specific instance “he decided to almost entirely axe the new team member who’s also the least interesting and least famous on both cast and character levels while he was turning a four hour mess into a snappier, two-hour one” is a pretty weaksauce complaint, no matter how much it sucked for the guy thinking it was his big break. 

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On 2/9/2021 at 11:21 PM, iainl said:

Claims abound of Whedon being an abusive creep in terms of how he’s treated his ex-wife and a number of female cast over the years


Some of the comments coming from the Buffy cast is more than a little disturbing. 

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2 hours ago, Graeme said:


Some of the comments coming from the Buffy cast is more than a little disturbing. 

There is too much smoke for there not to be fire. But damn, so much of it is innuendo instead of specific accusations. Actually, most of the chatter is people coming out to support people who are pushing innuendo. If he molested someone can people just say that? Put the cards on the table.

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39 minutes ago, foogledricks said:

There is too much smoke for there not to be fire. But damn, so much of it is innuendo instead of specific accusations. Actually, most of the chatter is people coming out to support people who are pushing innuendo. If he molested someone can people just say that? Put the cards on the table.


You do understand that abuse or working in a toxic environment doesn’t need to entail molesting someone, right? Go read Charisma Carpenters four page release where she outright spells out being fired for getting pregnant and Whedon literally pushing her to have an abortion and mocking her faith in the process to save her career/role on Angel? Is that specific enough for you? Or does that not qualify as”harmful” enough to register? This isn’t just women either. Ray Fisher all but ended his movie career by coming out and speaking his mind against Whedon, Johns and Execs are Warner.
 

No, they can say as much as they feel comfortable saying and they can say more when they’re ready. You and I don’t get to dictate that. Like you said, where there is smoke there is fire. 

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I certainly believe Charisma Carpenter.  Not so sure I believe nearly as much by Fisher, who has ridden some pretty nebulous claims for months now, which boils down to “JL was going to be my movie” and mean Joss cut my stuff out and was a jerk about it.  Which I am certain is true, but I’m also certain that’s the business.  I’ll be happy to change my tune when provides some specifics.

 

As for Whedon’s behavior on Buffy and Angel...lots of bad stories, with plenty of details and corroboration.

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I decided, out of guilt for being so harsh, to re-watch that trailer. Open to being wrong, I went in with a fresh positive mindset. 

 

Here's my fresh all new take,... 

14 hours ago, JTello said:

Hot Garbage! I could not be less interested. They are all-in on this version of DC and I am all-out!

 

The DC Universe is just grotesque superhero mythology porn at this point. Yuck! 

 

Needle didn't move! 

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9 hours ago, Romier S said:

Go read Charisma Carpenters four page release where she outright spells out being fired for getting pregnant and Whedon literally pushing her to have an abortion and mocking her faith in the process to save her career/role on Angel? Is that specific enough for you?

There has been a lot of noise in the reporting on this. No, I have not read anything about Joss pressuring someone to get an abortion as a requirement for employment. That is specific and that does matter indeed.

9 hours ago, Romier S said:

No, they can say as much as they feel comfortable saying and they can say more when they’re ready.

For comparison's sake, this reminds me a lot of what happened with JTello on this forum a few years ago. At this point I don't even know who I told about it. And I don't feel comfortable talking about it now. But that whole fiasco has taught me what you said, that we shouldn't bully the abused (i.e. 'me') to the benefit of the abuser (i.e. 'Joel') just because people are curious about the details. No matter how disgusting and evil those details about JTello are.

 

P.S. Btw, no hard feelings Joel. I know I said I'd never talk about this again.

P.S.S. The above implications about Joel are a fiction

 

 

 

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Fine, I made up all that stuff about Joel. I obviously just wanted to say that implying bad things about someone can be very harmful. If we assume everything the victim says is gold, then who cares. But sometimes stories can be complex. There can be nuance. Lies. Exaggerations. Or just different perspectives. Doesn't mean that's the case here at all. Just on principal we should hold off burning the witch until we can confirm they're a witch. Because there is no going back once you throw the match.

 

Even when it is pretty obvious Joel, Joss, and other J-name-people are obviously witches.

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This is Keith's convoluted & covert way of subverting the forum's policy on political discussions. If you read between the lines Keith supports Trump's 2nd impeachment acquittal,...

 

 

"Just on principal we should hold off burning the witch until we can confirm they're a witch. Because there is no going back once you throw the match."

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, JTello said:

This is Keith's convoluted & covert way of subverting the forum's policy on political discussions. If you read between the lines Keith supports Trump's 2nd impeachment acquittal,...

 

 

"Just on principal we should hold off burning the witch until we can confirm they're a witch. Because there is no going back once you throw the match."

 

 

 

season 9 officer lou GIF

 

It’s crap like this that put our relationship on the rocks during the goat incident of 2000.

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