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Marvel, as with the mere tap of a finger I make this grain disappear!

 

Wow, that’s night and day. 

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On 10/29/2019 at 5:42 AM, Angry the Clown said:

Weird how Paramount has dropped its enthusiasm for catalogue content on physical UHD. Could be like it’s Wonderful Life where discs come eventually, but it’s downright bizarre that they’d bother doing remastered 1080p discs in January and and not debut UHD discs at the same time.

 

I'm hoping they're just waiting to do one complete set when part 4 hits home video.

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That would be baffling to me as a new film would be hitting cinemas mid to late 2021 at the earliest, surely?

 

I wonder if Paramount have in fact been doing some iTunes exclusive deals whereby there’s no disc for x number of months. Might explain It’s A Wonderful Life coming a year after iTunes, and I am amazed and overjoyed a disc happened at all, so if they’re willing to do that the surely they’ll be willing to put out the Beverly Hills Cop movies as they’ll sell a lot better.

 

I’m still hoping Chinatown gets a disc having already debuted on iTunes.

 

We never got Spielberg’s War of the Worlds this year which Paramount had indicated was coming. It has its fifteenth anniversary in 2020 though so that could be the reason it never surfaced (I’d love it if we got A.I and Minority Report too).

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November release schedule update:

 

November:

Angel Has Fallen (US. UK in December)

Angry Birds 2 (US)

Apollo 11 (UK only)

Big Hero 6 (US)

Fast and Furious: Hobbs & Shaw (US. UK in December)

Marvel Infinity Saga Collector's Edition Box Set (US)

Moana (US)

The Princess and the Frog (US)

Susperia [1977] (US)

Tammy & The T-Rex (US)

Tangled (US)

Universal Soldier (US & UK)

Zootopia (US)

 

December:

Abominable (US)

Ad Astra (US. UK in January) 

Easy Rider (UK only)

Game of Thrones: Season 8 (US & UK)

Hustlers (US)

It: Chapter 2 (US. UK in January) 

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (US & UK)

Rambo: Last Blood (US. UK in January)

Seven Worlds, One Planet (UK)

 

January:

Joker (US. UK in February)

The Jungle Book [2016] (US)

Maleficent: Mistress of Evil (US. UK in February)

 

February:

Shutter Island (US. Already available in UK)

 

Known to be coming but awaiting formal announcements: 

A Beautiful Day in the Neighbourhood 
Back to the Future Trilogy 

Charlies Angels [2020]

Dawn of the Dead [1978] (UK Only) 

Doctor Sleep

Ford vs Ferrari (aka Le Mans 66)
Frozen II

Gemini Man

Jumanji: The Next Level

Knives Out

Midway

Queen & Slim

Shaun the Sheep: Farmageddon (UK Only?)

Terminator: Dark Fate

Zombieland: Double Tap

 

 

Rumoured (via international retail listings/leaks/news): 

47 Ronin

Akira

Beauty and the Beast [1991]

Beauty and the Beast [2017]

Boyz n The Hood

The Hobbit Trilogy (Summer 2020?)

Inglorious Basterds

The Jungle Book [1967]

Lawrence of Arabia

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Summer 2020?)

Monty Python's Meaning of Life

Miami Vice

Pulp Fiction

Taxi Driver 

The Thing [1982]

Wanted

War of the Worlds [2005]

 

 

 

Hopefully we see some more nice announcements for December, but the clock is ticking. I seem to recall Dec being anti-climactic for discs last year too.

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It and Joker already hit in Decdmber? Really? Yeesh what is that a month and a half or two from theatrical?

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Yeah. IT Chapter 2 is currently scheduled for Dec 10th, and Joker for the 17th. No formal announcements for either yet, but those are the current dates retail is showing.

 

I could see Joker actually coming in January/Feb to clash with awards season. For now I’ll leave it as is (have added to be confirmed markers where appropriate though).

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It’s A Wonderful Life arrived today. I won’t be watching it until next month but, again, I’m already familiar with the 4k/DV release that went to iTunes last year and can vouch for it being lovely.


I was surprised to see that the UK package is different, in this case better, than the US release. Whereas the US disc bundles the old (colourised! 🤮 ) Blu-ray in with the UHD, the UK release bundles a remastered B&W Blu-ray in with the UHD. Kudos to Paramount UK for that decision.

 

So if anyone wants both the UHD and the new Blu-ray of the 4k restoration then it’d be worth importing the UK release.

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Ad Astra receives its US release from Fox on 17th of December:

 

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AD ASTRA Blu-ray Special Features:

  • Deleted Scenes with Optional Audio Commentary by James Gray
  • To the Stars
  • A Man Named Roy
  • The Crew of the Cepheus
  • The Art of Ad Astra
  • Reach for the Stars
  • Audio Commentary by Director James Gray (also on UHD disc)

 

I'm pleasantly surprised by those special features.

 

Audio is Dolby Atmos. HDR should be HDR10+ given its a Fox disc (commentary on the UHD shows Fox still have creative autonomy over their discs).

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It's been awfully quiet on the news front lately, but...!  (To be fair, it's unclear how many of these "4K re-releases" will make it to Ultra HD Blu-ray.)

 

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Studiocanal’s 4K re-releases in 2020 will include classics such as Breathless, The Elephant Man, Basic Instinct, Total Recall, Serpico and Flash Gordon.

 

Jean-Luc Godard’s New Wave classic Breathless will be 60 next year and Serpico will be re-issued in the same year that its star Al Pacino turns 80. Euro major Studiocanal will also be releasing restored versions of Gaspar Noé’s Irreversible (Irreversible: Straight Cut, which debuted at Venice) as well as movies such as The Red Circle, The Three Days Of The Condor, Fellini’s Lo Sceicco Blanco, The Ladykillers and horror film Dead Of Night, which Martin Scorsese recently listed as one of the scariest films of all time.

The library titles will get home entertainment releases in multiple Studiocanal territories and some will have theatrical play. David Lynch’s drama The Elephant Man received its premiere at the London Film Festival in October, and will have a home ent and theatrical release next year to celebrate the film’s 40th anniversary.

 

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Yeah December is looking pretty dead. I can’t believe a few anniversary opportunities haven’t been seized upon like Warner not doing Shawshank and Green Mile. I think it’s amazing that Studio Canal ignored Stargate’s 25th.

 

Of those titles I’d say Total Recall and Basic Instinct seem most likely to get a disc in Europe with Lionsgate getting to clone them in the US. I could see Flash Gordon getting a disc in Europe too but a US disc would depend on Universal (likewise Serpico, and MAYBE Elephant Man, could get a disc in Europe but possibly not in the US).

 

Downside to Studio Canal doing a number of these is their encoding is often utter trash and its rare Lionsgate get to do their own thing on titles where they share the rights so a bad EU encode like the Rambo discs gets cloned in the US, likewise the diabolical T2 “restoration.” The EU discs of Don’t Look Now and Deer Hunter turned out OK though, while the Carpenter discs had blocking issues.  🤷‍♂️

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IT Chapter 2 formally announced for Dec 10th in the US (13th of January for the UK) with Dolby Atmos, Dolby Vision and HDR10+.

 

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A twin pack of both films will also be available on the same date.

 

Do bear in mind there has been repeated talk from the director/producer of extended cuts of both films, and even speculation of some kind of "super cut," so there still may be a double dip some day. 

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Paramount are finally bringing their disc of Shutter Island to the US in February. Quite why they sat on it for so long when it's been available in the UK for over a year now I have no idea. Nice disc too. I recommend it if you like the film and haven't imported it already.

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Just got in my order for Tammy and the T-Rex!  Vinegar Syndrome gave some hints about their 2020 release slate, and:

 

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So, Vinegar Syndrome has one 4K title in May, another in October, and 2 in November.  Very nice to see that level of support.

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Got home tonight to find the recent batch of Disney animated titles waiting for me. I really hope they churn out many more next year. I’m certainly eager for the remaining Pixar catalogue titles too. I really thought they might have thrown those out for December.

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Amazon has the mission impossible movie set for $38. Was waiting on a deal for this.

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On 11/29/2019 at 3:02 AM, Angry the Clown said:

It remains crazy to me that it’s the tiniest of boutique labels who have committed to some UHD’s before the likes of Criterion and Arrow. 

 

I wonder to what extent their reluctance isn't based on just how UHD itself would/wouldn't perform (though that obviously is a huge factor) but how it might negatively impact their other lines, given the collector mentality associated with Criterion in particular.  Resentment over why one title gets the 4K treatment while another doesn't, consumers who don't buy a title on Blu-ray because they'd rather wait for a 4K version, customers who just won't buy a movie at all because even though they haven't embraced 4K, they don't like the idea of buying something that isn't the very best, collectors who feel that 4K means they have to replace their entire collections and just stop buying Criterion titles altogether, yadda yadda yadda.


And I don't think those same sorts of feelings would apply so much to the likes of Well Go, Discotek, Vinegar Syndrome, Synapse, Kino Lorber, etc.

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It’s certainly possible, but then would that not have also been a concern for Criterion when Blu-ray came along? They only took about a year or so to start doing HD releases. 

 

I wonder if there are significantly higher licensing fees involved, particularly for Arrow who get a lot of stuff from Universal and MGM (but then again Kino did Hannibal from MGM).

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I should add that I personally neither want nor need EVERY new release from these indie labels to be 4k. A solid 1080p encode from a 4k scan can look exceptional, but a select few presented in 4k/HDR would be welcome (Roma would have been such an obvious choice for Criterion).

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3 hours ago, Angry the Clown said:

It’s certainly possible, but then would that not have also been a concern for Criterion when Blu-ray came along? They only took about a year or so to start doing HD releases. 

 

Two and a half years.  Their first releases were about two weeks before Christmas in 2008.

 

I do remember a lot of teeth-gnashing from Criterion DVD collectors before/when they dove into HD, and since it took them a while to fully adopt Blu-ray (they were still putting out DVD-only releases nearly two full years afterwards), there were also complaints about certain titles bypassing HD.  And while it's definitely not the same scenario, there was significant blowback when Criterion switched to single-SKU combo releases in 2013, with all sorts of complaints about Criterion forcing DVDs on their Blu-ray base and forcing Blu-ray and higher prices on their DVD base, along with the different size cases and all that.  And I'm sure those anxieties increase with each successive format.

 

3 hours ago, Angry the Clown said:

I wonder if there are significantly higher licensing fees involved, particularly for Arrow who get a lot of stuff from Universal and MGM (but then again Kino did Hannibal from MGM).

 

MGM reportedly includes UHD rights to anyone licensing titles on Blu-ray.  Since they have no interest in releasing anything themselves, there's little incentive not to, I guess.  Every title Kino has named as possibilities for Ultra HD Blu-ray (even though four of them didn't pan out!) has been from MGM.  (Although the three titles in the wings from Kino are from new studio deals, and they haven't clarified what that means, exactly.)

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6 hours ago, Adam Tyner said:

 

Two and a half years.  Their first releases were about two weeks before Christmas in 2008.

 

I do remember a lot of teeth-gnashing from Criterion DVD collectors before/when they dove into HD, and since it took them a while to fully adopt Blu-ray (they were still putting out DVD-only releases nearly two full years afterwards), there were also complaints about certain titles bypassing HD.  And while it's definitely not the same scenario, there was significant blowback when Criterion switched to single-SKU combo releases in 2013, with all sorts of complaints about Criterion forcing DVDs on their Blu-ray base and forcing Blu-ray and higher prices on their DVD base, along with the different size cases and all that.  And I'm sure those anxieties increase with each successive format.


 

I seem to recall the complaints largely being over the price increase. Again, I really don’t think they or any of these boutique labels need to say “everything we do from here on out will be a Blu/4k combo release.” It’s completely unnecessary, but for certain titles every now and again, a handful each year, it would be great. Tree of Life would have been amazing for example.
 

 

6 hours ago, Adam Tyner said:

MGM reportedly includes UHD rights to anyone licensing titles on Blu-ray.  Since they have no interest in releasing anything themselves, there's little incentive not to, I guess.  Every title Kino has named as possibilities for Ultra HD Blu-ray (even though four of them didn't pan out!) has been from MGM.  (Although the three titles in the wings from Kino are from new studio deals, and they haven't clarified what that means, exactly.)


Interesting. We can probably deduce that isn’t the case with many, if not all, of the content Universal license out since they did a UHD of Waterworld following Arrow’s Blu-ray (I preferred the Blu) and that at some point they’re intending to do The Thing as well.
 

A lot of MGM’s 4k stuff is also quite old as despite their money troubles they’ve been archiving their library in 4k for a good while now, so in instances like Robocop for example, that’s MGM’s 2013 4k master that Arrow re-used and re-encoded, and likely pre-dates prep for an HDR master that a third party distribtor would still have had to pay for. 

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Release schedule update for Dec.

 

December:

Abominable (US)

Ad Astra (US. UK in January) 

Easy Rider (UK only)

Game of Thrones: Season 8 (US & UK)

Hustlers (US)

It: Chapter 2 (US. UK in January) 

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (US & UK)

Rambo: Last Blood (US. UK in January)

Seven Worlds, One Planet (UK)

 

January:

Gemini Man (US)
Joker (US. UK in February) 

The Jungle Book [2016] (US)

Zombieland: Double Tap (US. UK in February)

 

February:

Casino Royale (UK)

Boyz n' The Hood (US & UK)

Quantum of Solace (UK)

Shutter Island (US. Already available in UK)

Skyfall (UK)

Spectre (UK)

 

Known to be coming but awaiting formal announcements: 

A Beautiful Day in the Neighbourhood 
Back to the Future Trilogy 

Cats

Charlies Angels [2020]

Dawn of the Dead [1978] (UK Only) 

Doctor Sleep

Ford vs Ferrari (aka Le Mans 66)
Frozen II

Jumanji: The Next Level

Knives Out

Maleficent: Mistress of Evil

Midway

Queen & Slim

Shaun the Sheep: Farmageddon (UK Only?)

Terminator: Dark Fate

 

 

Rumoured (via international retail listings/leaks/news): 

47 Ronin

Akira

Beauty and the Beast [1991] (March?)

Beauty and the Beast [2017] (March?)

A Bug’s Life (March?)

The Hobbit Trilogy (Summer 2020?)

Inglorious Basterds

The Jungle Book [1967]

Lawrence of Arabia

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Summer 2020?)

Monsters Inc (March?)

Monsters University (March?)

Monty Python's Meaning of Life

Miami Vice

Pulp Fiction

Taxi Driver 

The Thing [1982]

Up (March?)

Wall-E (March)

Wanted

War of the Worlds [2005]

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Jury's out on whether it will actually appear. That and the other Universal titles on the rumoured list were all part of a leak from earlier in the year, which accurately listed a lot of catalogue titles that Universal did indeed put out, but a handful are still unreleased. 

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