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I've payed for DLC in the past on the PC. This is really no different at all from buying new Shareware episodes - did no-one else buy the extra Wolfenstein 3D levels or whatever?

 

Its going to put a bad taste in my mouth if I feel short-changed over game content already and they come along expecting me to pay more for extra levels, and if they start asking people to pay cash for extra levels that are free downloads on the PC (actually, that kind of counts for the whole of Counterstrike, but that is another argument) then it seems rather rude too, but I've nothing against the principle.

 

Unless, as with Ghost Recon, you break my game by having the client refuse to work if other players have got the extra content, of course. That was just evil.

 

?20 for MOH:Spearhead, or ?5-?10 for the extra levels as a download, is the simple argument.

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A question for those of you who don't want to pay: Do you feel that way because you don't feel DLC is worth paying for?
Exactly. Good, bad or ugly, I want a COMPLETE game when I buy one. I mean, what's with this DLC craze anyway? If this whole "premium" thing takes off, it's only a matter of time before they release half-finished games and charge for the other half. It's a VERY slippery slope we're on. Does anybody feel cheated that Halo doesn't have DLC? I sure as hell don't.

 

I'll tell you all what I told Joey yesterday: As much as I loved RTCW and love Rainbow Six 3, if they offered "premium" DLC, I wouldn't get it. Why? Because the games are great, as is.

 

They're not trying to "extend the life of the game" or "provide EVEN MORE gaming fun", they're trying to make money. They're trying to squeeze every penny they can out of us and I'm not havin' it. :x I say take all the "premium" content, go back to the drawing board and make a sequel, which I'll buy, if it's good AND complete.

 

Plus, let's not forget the whole "level playing field" thing. I like that on XBL everyone's on equal footing, unlike PC gaming or even PS2 online. IMO, it's only a matter of time before "premium" DLC takes the form of faster cars, more powerful weapons, etc. Stuff to REALLY sweeten the pot, to MAKE you want to spend the MEASLY $5 (or 10, maybe 20?). THEN the shit is REALLY gonna hit the fan. Hell, I can't even play Links (a game I spent $50 on, BTW :roll:) with you guys if you play on the new map(s). The rift is already forming. :(

 

Don't tell me that MS said it from the start or that it's the future. That's a bunch of marketing crap. It's up to US to decide what's right or wrong. I've made my choice. I've voted with my dollars or lack thereof.

OK, rant over. Sorry for thread-jacking.

 

:green:

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it's only a matter of time before they release half-finished games and charge for the other half.

/hands Leo a tin-foil hat

 

PC games have had "patches" and updates for years. And I can't think of ONE game that was so inherently broken, or designed where you had to PAY to fix it. Save MMORPGs of course. I can think of plenty of games that had "expansion packs" that added new features, and extended the life of the product. Half-Life and BF1942 are perfect examples. Do you NEED the add-ons to play? No. DO the add-ons add features and levels you might like? Yes. But they're optional. You don't NEED them.

 

They're trying to squeeze every penny they can out of us and I'm not havin' it.

Pretty much like any other company trying to make money off the consumer, no? Companies NEED to make money, it's what they do. It's been like that since businesses first started. They're not doing it 'cause they're evil (oooh, scary), they're not doing it to target you specifically. This is what they do. You mentioned once that you play Battlefield 1942. Are you not going to buy the expansion packs for that one reason? I mean, 'cause they're "squeezing" you for an add-on?

 

IMO, it's only a matter of time before "premium" DLC takes the form of faster cars, more powerful weapons, etc. Stuff to REALLY sweeten the pot, to MAKE you want to spend the MEASLY $5 (or 10, maybe 20?).

That's what makes it "Premium", They'll be things you WANT to pay a little extra for. And I'm sure there will ALWAYS be people who don't get Premium content, so you'll always have other people to play with. It's not like you're going to be the only one NOT buying it.

 

Hell, I can't even play Links (a game I spent $50 on, BTW) with you guys

Sure you can. You just can't play the downloaded courses. So premium content comes out, and now you're ready to complain you spent 50$ on it like it's trash now? Please. All of us who play Links shelled out 50 or so dollars to play Links. And we like it so much, we're willing to pay 5$ to extend it's life a bit longer. Hell, we spend 50$ every year updating our NHLs and Maddens and FIFAs, for what? Minor graphics updates and the latest rosters.

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Guest Bryan

They have delivered EVEN MORE gaming fun than I thought they could!

 

I'll be playing it tonight if any of you cheapskates can pry five samoleans out of your cobweb-covered wallets.

 

 

:D

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Wow, Leo.

 

[bill Lumburgh Voice on]

Yeah......I'm gonna have to go ahead and ... disagree with you there......yyyyeeeahhhh.

[bill Lumburgh Voice off]

 

We're moving to an "on demand" society as far as technology goes. Have you seen any IBM, Apple, or Microsoft commercials these days? Have you heard of iTunes? The new Napster? These companies are offering products and services for sale. That's what business is. Like it was stated earlier, it's not that they're "evil"...it's that they want to stay in business and get ahead of their competitors.

 

Anyway. thanks for sharing your opinion.

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I dowloaded it after work and played a quick match online. Nice course with a few nasty pin positions. Can't wait to play it more.

 

I'll be lurking around on Live tonight if anyone would like to play a few games of either the downloaded or standard courses.

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I caved and bought it as well. Pretty tricky course. Lots of elevation changes and some tricky approach shots.

 

I only managed a -12 :green:

 

Lets get another tourney started.

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Just downloaded and played a round on this course. Wow. IMO, this is worth the $5. They're talking a 2 to 3 month cycle for new courses, so we'll get 2 or 3 more courses this year that will also be usable with Link 2005 for $15 to 20. This is much more reasonable than what they charged for new courses in Links for the PC.

 

On the subject of premiuim content, I really have no problem with it as long as it's well done and substantial enough to justify the cost (which is going to be very subjective from one individual to the next). If they do start doing things like having one ubergun or a super fast tricked out car as a download, well, I'll probably be skipping those. Chances are those things would unbalance gameplay and our gaming circle would ban them in short order anyways.

 

When it comes down to it, I really wouldn't be surprised to see a nice mix of both free and premium content for most new games.

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Crap, this download is way too big for my iffy wireless connection. I should have been leery when it took me 45 minutes to download the 1500 block Caverns level in Crimson Skies.

 

I'll have to steal a long cable from work tomorrow and do a direct connection to finish the download... :x

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Crap Joel, what's with that connection? I've never heard of a connection being that bad just because it's wireless, do you have any idea what might be wrong with it?

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All i know is they better get live fixed as all these small problems are really becoming annoying.

 

 

the course kicks ass though

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Crap, this download is way too big for my iffy wireless connection. I should have been leery when it took me 45 minutes to download the 1500 block Caverns level in Crimson Skies.

Joel,

 

Just pause your porn downloads.....this will free up lots of bandwidth for you. ;)

 

-Dean-

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Guest Bryan

James and I played Kapalua several times last night. Worth all 499 pennies!

 

The elevation changes are absurd in some spots - I thought I was going to fall over on some of those side-hill fairway lies. The greens also have steep elevation changes, making approach shot ball placement crucial. You can go from putting 3' downhill to a 40' uphill putt if you miss.

 

Shot management is more critical on Kapalua than any other Links course, by far.

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The elevation changes are absurd in some spots

 

Yeah, that's an understatement. My father (and my stepmom, for that matter) were complaining about it while they were playing last night.

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Originally posted by RingWraith@Jan 8 2004, 06:54 AM

Crap, this download is way too big for my iffy wireless connection. I should have been leery when it took me 45 minutes to download the 1500 block Caverns level in Crimson Skies.

Joel,

 

Just pause your porn downloads.....this will free up lots of bandwidth for you. ;)

 

-Dean-

Hey, that was the first thing I tried! :green:

 

The problem isn't that it's slow, it's like it loses connection or something. It'll download like the wind for 30-60 seconds, and then just quit, eventually timing out and I have to restart it. Fortunately it picks up where it left off, otherwise I'm sure I'd still be trying to get Caverns...

 

I don't know what the problem is. I don't have any problem playing online and I can do large downloads to my wireless laptop without those issues, so I'm guessing it's either something about the Linksys wireless adapter or the Live service itself... :?

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Originally posted by Ruffneck@Jan 8 2004, 08:33 AM

The elevation changes are absurd in some spots

 

Yeah, that's an understatement. My father (and my stepmom, for that matter) were complaining about it while they were playing last night.

Yeah...

 

"Chris, this sucks! Can't we just go back to Clone Wars?"

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Guest Bryan

Here is an interactive guide to the course at Kapalua: Course Tour

 

It gives tips about playing the course that will help on the Xbox as well!

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Guest BurtReynolds

WHY would Microsoft possibly shoot themselves in the foot by making the new course download for Links 2004 $5? The game is already wildly unsuccessful as it is. Trying to find someone to play online is like pulling teeth and one of my BIGGEST initial complaints was the crappy course selection, and not only do they NOT remedy that by releasing a cakewalk course which was already in Tiger Woods 2004, but they charge you for downloading it when they shortchanged us in the first place!

 

In the unlikely event that they make another Links Game, they wont be getting my money. If Tiger Woods isnt on Xbox Live next year I'll save my money and go golfing for REAL.

 

It's ridiculous that Tiger Woods has 4 times as many courses as Links, for the SAME amount.

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Burt, We know you dislike the game. Please leave Links alone and go play Tiger Woods. There are enough courses on that game to keep you busy until Tiger '05 comes out. :x

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If you want to post an assertion that is not very commonly held (e.g. Links is "wildly unsuccessful"), you need to provide support for it.

 

You can disagree with someone by pointing out lack of support for their assertion or any other problem with their argument. But you can't tell them to go elsewhere because you suspect, or even know, that they don't care for the game. Disliking a game doesn't make an observation invalid, problems in logic or incorrect facts do.

 

Finally, I'd like to remind everyone that we aren't here to play a "gotcha" game. There is no score. Person A asserts something. Person B points out a problem in logic. Person A has not "lost" and Person B doesn't get a point. Instead, Person A can simply concede the point or amend his or her answer in the interest of furthering discussion. That's all.

 

-j

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I find this "wildly unsuccessful" game wildly entertaining. In video game land is there a golf game that is extremely successful? I find it hard to believe that even a supreme golf game would be able to compete sales wise with the mass appeal of first person shooting game, since, I assume, a large part of video gamers are teenagers(not me I'm pushing 40), who would much rather blow something up than sink a 10 foot putt.

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