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At £1800 for the five-channel version (which is all I need; I have no plans for centre-back, let alone height speakers) it’s not cheap. But it’s certainly an alternative to the Arcam, which is about the only surround + music option I’ve found would properly satisfy me if I want one amp to do everything. 

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My Sony x900h arrives today, and Denon AVR-X3600H shipped today. I am going to hook these two babies up to one another (TV on the floor, cables on the floor) to do some basic tests. See if eArc working. See if there is any lag. See if my cables actually work.

 

I have an electrician coming in a week to install the height speakers, put in outlets, and finalize everything (mount the heavy ass TV). So I want to make sure crap works before we start cutting holes, etc.

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3 hours ago, iainl said:

At £1800 for the five-channel version (which is all I need; I have no plans for centre-back, let alone height speakers) it’s not cheap. But it’s certainly an alternative to the Arcam, which is about the only surround + music option I’ve found would properly satisfy me if I want one amp to do everything. 

 

Only real issue with Arcam, HDMI aside, is they seem to have very buggy software from what I've read in recent years.

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I have a Denon S750H receiver on the way and I had a question on a possible speaker set up.  My current family room has an older non 4K friendly pioneer receiver with 5.1 speakers, and my surrounds are actually in the ceiling a few feet behind the couch.  This new Denon was purchased to solve the problem of not having enough 4k inputs on a new TV, and the desire to have eARC for the new Xbox.  I was planning on setting up the receiver with 5.1 speakers, but thought it might be possible to do a 3.1.2 setup for Atmos.  I don't have any experience with Atmos, but all this new tech has me thinking I might be able to have it in my family room.  Is a 3.1.2 speaker setup possible and would it be better than the traditional 5.1 setup?

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2 hours ago, Romier S said:


Basically, the PS5 and RTX 30xx cards work. The Series X does not due to it sending compressed signals to the receiver.


Ah interesting I had it backwards 


I still hope Xbox can issue a firmware update that can disable link compression though since that requires higher clocking it may not be feasible if the board design didn’t account for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 11/2/2020 at 7:41 AM, foogledricks said:

My Sony x900h arrives today, and Denon AVR-X3600H shipped today. I am going to hook these two babies up to one another (TV on the floor, cables on the floor) to do some basic tests. See if eArc working. See if there is any lag. See if my cables actually work.

 

I have an electrician coming in a week to install the height speakers, put in outlets, and finalize everything (mount the heavy ass TV). So I want to make sure crap works before we start cutting holes, etc.

How’s the 3600 working for you?

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Thanks for asking. I sort of gave a summary in the TV thread, but here is a more 3600-focused take:

  • Because I wanted/needed HDMI 2.1 workflow, and didn't want to spend a million dollars, I got a receiver that primarily would server as an eArc Atmos receiver. Meaning I'm not really planning to use this as a switch
  • So my PS5 goes directly to my X900H and both that and the Apps(Netflix, etc.) on the X900H loop back over eArc to my Denon 3600
  • This has worked great, although I had to make a bunch of configuration changes on the X900H to get it to work
  • I've have periodic audio drop-outs for 10 seconds or so when using Apps, but I think that's an X900H issue
  • I've never had a receiver that had a UI overlay or a phone app for control, or bluetooth for music before. Those are pretty neat features
  • Truly appreciated the setup wizard. Best I've used. Calibrated all my speakers for me and helped me turn off things I didn't care about.
  • One downside is that only one input on my TV does eArc, and it is 1/2 of my HDMI 2.1 ports. So using eArc at all kills my plan of running a PS5 and an Xbox SX directly to my TV. I'll have to get an HDMI 2.1 switcher at some point to use my one available HDMI 2.1 port.
  • I was confused about whether ATMOS was actually working. Didn't realize that DD+ is actually a container for Atmos, so Atmos was actually working fine when I thought it wasn't. All speakers are firing when watching Atmos content.
  • No Atmos on the PS5 for gaming though. So not using my height speakers for PS5 contents. That sucks.
  • I do still have my PC hooked up to the receiver which is only 1080p. And interestingly, I am able to send my 3600 signal through the eArc cable to my TV, and not have it be confused, since typically the TV sends the audio back through that same cable for eArc. But in this case it is a more conventional input-only usage. But it works fine.

The whole setup works great, except for a few X900h bugs that hopefully will be fixed soon.

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On 12/4/2020 at 3:03 PM, kelley said:

Well I ordered a Denon x4500h today. It'll be my first ever Denon.

How are you liking the x4500h?  I’ve yet to own a Denon but would consider it since I’ve jumped around having owned a Pioneer, H/K, Onkyo and now Yamaha.  Those others are too rich for my blood.  😕

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Still waiting. Yamaha have said that theirs will work, but they've also delayed the release of most of their models, so .... Denon/Marantz says that they are working on a fix but have shared no real details or timelines. I would wait before I spent any real money on a receiver or pre/pro. I'm not expecting to buy until later in the year at the soonest.

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12 hours ago, Angel P said:

How are you liking the x4500h?  I’ve yet to own a Denon but would consider it since I’ve jumped around having owned a Pioneer, H/K, Onkyo and now Yamaha.  Those others are too rich for my blood.  😕

It’s good enough. The UI is better than my old Marantz that was just one year older than this unit. I haven’t tuned it yet as I’m waiting on my couch to arrive in March 2nd. 

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Denon/Marantz have announced a free external hardware adapter solution to work around the HDMI 2.1 fault in the boards featured in several of their most recent receivers.

 

Affected Models
Denon AVR-A110                   Marantz AV7706
Denon AVR-X6700H               Marantz SR8015
Denon AVR-X4700H               Marantz SR7015
Denon AVR-X3700H               Marantz SR6015
Denon AVR-X2700H               Marantz SR5015
Denon AVR-S960H                 Marantz NR1711

 

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The SPK618 HDMI adapter solution is designed to remedy a compatibility issue between select Denon A/V receivers that 
support 4K/120Hz and 8K video resolutions and select gaming consoles that support 4K/120Hz and 8K video resolution output.
If you experience a black screen and no audio when trying to pass through 4K/120Hz or 8K signals from gaming devices connected to 
the 8K input of the Denon A/V receiver, this adapter will help you to get a proper gaming experience.

 

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https://www.denon.com/en-gb/hdmiadapter

 

https://www.marantz.com/en-gb/hdmiadapter

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Hmmm. Whether to wait for new receivers that have built in solutions or jump now is a toughie. I'm leaning towards waiting, frankly but good of them to offer up a solution. The issue with the chip is only prevalent with the Series X, too right? I believe the PS5 works proper.

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In other HDMI 2.1 news, Arcam and JBL will be offering retroactive 2.1 hardware board upgrades for several of their receivers and processors that currently only sport 2.0. In Arcam's case this will be for their AVR10, AVR20, AVR30 receivers and AV40 processor, and JBL's SDR-35 AV receiver and SDP-55 processor.

 

https://www.avforums.com/news/arcam-and-jbl-synthesis-announce-hdmi-2-1-upgrade-for-av-models.18669

 

Pricing to be confirmed at a later date, but it's great to see more of the higher end receiver and processor manufacturers actually offering hardware board updates. It'll be interesting to see whether this brings a full array of 2.1 inputs to those products, or whether it will be a mix of 2.1 and 2.0 ala Denon, Marantz...etc. All of those Arcam models mentioned currently have seven HDMI 2.0 inputs, and three 2.0 outputs (AVR10 has two outputs) which is a heck of a lot, and the excuse of most receiver and TV manufacturers to date is that it's too costly to put together fully compatible boards for every input. It would be great if things have progressed for Arcam to make every input and output compatible but we'll have to wait and see.

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10 minutes ago, Romier S said:

The issue with the chip is only prevalent with the Series X, too right? I believe the PS5 works proper.

 

I think so, yes.

 

Honestly I'd wait until they have new receivers where the compatibility is there internally, and more (or all) inputs/outputs support 2.1 rather than them having to limit 2.1 to two or three ins/outs on the device.

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14 minutes ago, Romier S said:

The issue with the chip is only prevalent with the Series X, too right? I believe the PS5 works proper.

Yes — but from what I have read, that might change if/when Sony enables VRR and other HDMI 2.1 features “pending.” No one seems to know what happens if PS5 HDMI bandwidth requirements go up because of those features. 

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That's nice. They've been making some really interesting products.

 

With any streaming box, or the right UHD disc player that can do low latency Dolby Vision, combined their Vertex box you can trick projectors (or any HDR10 display for that matter) into accepting Dolby Vision. 

 

https://www.hdfury.com/enjoy-dynamic-dv-content-from-lldv-source-on-any-hdr10-display/

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Still no word on how many inputs/outputs will be 2.1 compatible from Arcam's receiver and processor retrofit plans, but Lygdorf's MP-60 2.1 processor has gone with 2.1 across five inputs and two outputs on the updated model if you have that kind of money to spend (though the previous MP60 had eight 2.0 inputs so they've made some alteration to the rear of the system by reducing the number... but raising the price. It's now a £14,000 piece of equipment in the UK. I'm expecting the MP40 upgrade to retain its 3 inputs 1 output, but that'll surely get a hefty price bump too). 

 

I'd be curious if we see Denon/Marantz roll out new receivers earlier than usual with greater 2.1 compatibility. The bugs from last year could perhaps force their hand to do so but we'll have to see. I really can't imagine that we won't see products with them with all input support in 2022 though.

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Rumor is that Denon/Marantz might be coming out with a SECOND external box later this year that has multiple HDMI 2.1 inputs. Another rumor is that the brands will introduce “half-year” models this summer/fall without the HDMI 2.1 “bug” — and also, potentially, more HDMI 2.1 inputs — than the controversial recently released models.

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