foogledricks Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 All the game sites have been reporting that Half-life 2 is almost done. Nothing official from Valve though. Grain.of.salt. In other news, the Team Fortress 2 site is up and running: http://tf2.sierra.com/ :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Failsafe Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Hope so. I've got my coupon that came with my ATI card ready to mail. What will sell more units? Doom 3 or Halflife 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camp Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Half Life 2 will outsell Doom 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMike Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Half Life 2 will outsell Doom 3. I don't know about that. I bet more people have heard of Doom than Half Life. That alone will propel the doom sales higher. I'm gonna get them both so i really don't care though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Failsafe Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Pop over here and cast your vote for what game you think will sell better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelley Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 That Team-Fortress 2 site is SOOOOOOOOOOO old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Ya, I thought he might have been joking about that site. I wasn't sure what the rolling eyes were for exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbert Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 All the game sites have been reporting that Half-life 2 is almost done. But it's not gold yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Zot Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 I thought they took that site down and just put it back up? I'm tinking TF2 will be freeware or $20 for anyone with HL2 and Steam. It might have sold for $50 a few years ago, today the field is just too packed with alternatives. As an add-on to sell more copies of HL2 though it would be sweet as honey wine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foogledricks Posted July 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Yeah, I was just kidding. I don't understand how this developer, could be regarded as such gods, yet something as simple as updating or taking down a web site that is 5 years old, can't be accomplished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelley Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Originally posted by kfredericks@Jul 30 2004, 02:55 PM Yeah, I was just kidding. I don't understand how this developer, could be regarded as such gods, yet something as simple as updating or taking down a web site that is 5 years old, can't be accomplished. that is not the developers responsibility, its their publisher's PR department who manages that stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foogledricks Posted July 31, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 that is not the developers responsibility, its their publisher's PR department who manages that stuff. Just as I don't blame Visual Concepts for their poor sales of their sports titles (I blame the marketing department), I can understand how Valve software's marketing department can drop the ball on their end. But I think that is a little too easy to say. Valve is a development house that kept tight control of their marketing departments for 5 years as they developed Half-life 2 in secret. The idea that they somehow do not have control, awareness, or interest in what their own web sites present about the projects their working on seems a little odd, to say the least. There really isn't much to debate here, and this isn't all that interesting. It's actually just kind of humorous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Zot Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Interesting that Gamestop has a release date and box art for TF2 up, they claim 1/3/05: http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=642252 Maybe it's been up there for years and they keep pushing the date back every 6 months? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romier S Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 It never stops. http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/24/news_6108100.html The statement's implication is that VUG, angry with Valve's "public statements," could sit on Half-Life 2 for up to six months. But would VUG use this six-month window as leverage to force Valve to back down from demands contained in its original August 14, 2002 lawsuit? This is becoming unbearable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberwoo Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 God help the person(s) who holds back a finished Half-Life 2. Where is VUG headquarters based? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMike Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 The statement's implication is that VUG, angry with Valve's "public statements," could sit on Half-Life 2 for up to six months. But would VUG use this six-month window as leverage to force Valve to back down from demands contained in its original August 14, 2002 lawsuit? If that ever happened (and got out as the reason for a delay) it would pretty much destroy Valve and Vivendi as companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrik Draven Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 I don't know. People would definitely be pissed off: myself one of them but, in the end...everyone will buy it when it finally releases and, if it's as great as we hope it is, memories will quickly fade and everyone will be telling Valve how wonderful they are. Just my guess. I bet alot of these developement companies wish that they could just publish their own games, then they'd have total control. Must be too big of a pain in the ass or, too damn expensive or....both, otherwise I can't see why publishers aren't put out to pasture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbert Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Must be too big of a pain in the ass or, too damn expensive or....both, otherwise I can't see why publishers aren't put out to pasture. Generally, publishers front the money for a game's development costs & pay the cost of any licence involved (e.g. film, characters etc). Most developers do not have the cash in the bank to fund their development cycles, and most developers don't have the contacts or kudos to get investment from other sources. The likes of Valve, id etc are the exceptions not the rule unfortunately, and all have the cash because of big hits in the past, essentially. Additionally, the publisher negotiates with distribution channels, the publisher negotiates with retail & spends the money (hopefully) to get good shelf space & retail presence. The publisher spends the time & money (hopefully) to market the game, getting the game publicity & anticipation. Without all of those, the developer would have to spend the time, effort & money to do all of those tasks themselves - none of them are small jobs. Even with the promised nirvana of digital distibution, there's still a huge chunk of marketing to do & distribution to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Zot Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Even with the promised nirvana of digital distibution, there's still a huge chunk of marketing to do & distribution to worry about. Yeah, but a publisher/distributors role in game development reminds of that scene in Office Space: Bob: So what do you do? X: I take the specs from the customer to the engineers. Bob: So you physically take the specs from the customer? X: Well no... Bob: So you physically take them to the engineer? X: Well, uhh... Bob: So what exactly is it that you do? X: Listen man, engineers don't like to deal with customers. I'm a people person dammit!!! Distributors aren't totally useless, but they're still working at it. Just IMHO (obviously) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelley Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Well I for one will always prefer to own an actual boxed copy of something that I can see and hold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMike Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Well I for one will always prefer to own an actual boxed copy of something that I can see and hold. I've been thinking about this lately. If they announce HL2 gold and that day let you d/l, buy, and start playing via steam I'm going to do it that way. Why wait 2-3 weeks for it to show up in the stores, then run down, pay tax, take home, install and play when I can just pay online and play in an hour or so after downloading without paying shipping or tax? Then again if they screw around and push it back for reasons that have nothing to do with the development of the game, I might just say screw them and not buy it at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdForged Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 If they announce HL2 gold and that day let you d/l, buy, and start playing via steam I'm going to do it that way. As part of the delightful bickering between VUG and Valve, Valve has pretty much plainly stated that the game will not be available on Steam before you can buy it in stores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Monkey Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 I wish to hell they'd put Team Fortress Classic in the XBox version of HL2. I'd really like that gameplay on Live without waiting three more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romier S Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 This is becoming unbearable! I wanted to comment on why I find this wait unbearable. You see I am looking forward to Half-Life 2. Very much so but to be honest I care more about this seeing store shelves than anything with Gordon Freeman: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/vtmb/index.html?q=vampire Yeah, I know saying so is blasphemy amongst gamers etc. etc. I enjoyed Half-Life (though have never been a huge fan of it. I give it it's proper respect for what it accomplished however) and I am sure Half-Life 2 will be an out of this world experience but considering that no Source powered game can be released before HL2, well Vampire is much more to my liking and the reason I want HL2 out as soon as possible (considering Troika is almost done with the game from what I've heard.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberwoo Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Hmm I vaguely remember playing Vampire: The Masqurade when it first came out. Seemed like a cool game but I never got around to getting into it. Didn't know a sequal was in the works. Cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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