LupinLives Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 I just don't get it! Why on earth are they doing "The Batman?" Why did they not bring back the animated Batman team and voices from the Bruce Timm days? The thing that really confuses me is that the "original" animated Batman is still on the Justice League. It's not like the people who did the voices are mostly dead or out of comission. Nor is it the case where the original series stunk. As a matter of fact the Timm stuff was phenomenal. I can't imagine anyone else doing the Joker as well as mark Hamill. I have always been a big Batman fan so I will watch the show, but this makes no sense to me at all. Can someone explain it to me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Monkey Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 Are you saying that they're doing a new animated Batman? Got a link? -j Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry the Clown Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 It's a new sleek and more "hip" take on the Bat really, and next to nothing about it excites me either (you just can't top the 90s animated series). The designs have a few interesting things going for them, but generaly they look rather flat and lifeless. The new Joker design especially bugs me, with his red eyes. The voice cast is a little mixed too. Ron Perlman is back, but this time voicing Killer Croc. Gina Gershon voices Catwoman, Adam West is the mayor. Most interesting is Robert Englund as The Riddler. News and images to make you cringe, here: http://www.legionsofgotham.org/Batman.html Daniel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark E Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 And even with Englund, the Riddler is probably THE hardest Batman character to write properly. The animated series did a great job with the Riddler, I thought. Depending on the episode of course . I agree that a new animated series is not needed (though to be frank I didn't care for the shift in animation style when the WB took the series over). But the reality of the situation is that you have a new Batman movie coming out and that means one thing: media whoring. It's to be expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romier S Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 As the Jokers biggest fan let me just say what in /THE HELL/ is that monstrosity they are calling the Joker? He looks like utter crap. That design alone is enough to put me off from watching the cartoon. Besides the fact that I doubt good old Luke Skywalker probably won't be doing the voice and well....no thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark E Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 The Mr. Freeze design is equally ridiculous. I mean, Freeze wears that suit because he has to, he's not out to make it particularly bad-ass or edgy. Those character evolutions go a long way to show just how good the show was at the very start of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LupinLives Posted August 14, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 Ahhh Thank You. I was beginning to think it was just me. It's almost seems like they are trying to give Bats the MTV treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 Good god that looks terrible. Words cannot describe how bad the Joker design is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam P Posted August 15, 2004 Report Share Posted August 15, 2004 NASTY! All of it! I used to love the animated series, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyN Posted August 15, 2004 Report Share Posted August 15, 2004 To think they cancelled good batman series for this crap. capt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Monkey Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 I'm going to watch with an open mind. If the writing is good, I might like this series. But my gut reaction is that I'd much rather see another season or two of the Bruce Timm Batman. The 'Insane Clown Posse' Joker makes me ill, at least visually. Mr. Freeze looks like crap. Frankly, Mr. Freeze doesn't belong in this series, which was created to support the new Christian Bale Batman in the same way the Timm series was created to support the Tim Burton Batman. 'The Batman' should be a prequel to the Bruce Timm Batman, and Mr. Freeze does not belong in that chronology. Yeah, I know chronology doesn't count for squat any more, and I'm not one of these anal retentive guys who believes there should be a single, master chronology (not that it is anywhere near possible anyway). But Mr. Freeze just doesn't fit, and should be kept sacred in the animated canon, IMO. He belongs in the Timm Batman 'universe'. Characters like the Joker and Catwoman belong everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainl Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Mr. Freeze, as an intelligent, tragic character only doing 'evil' because he's given up on caring for humanity after all the bad things that have happened to him, has no place in a MTVised, dumbed down Batman, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnemaEms Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Now now, don't be knocking MTV for this. The Animated Spider-Man series was fantastic. One of my most watched DVDs. :tu: Granted, the same animators are obviously not doing Batman. -Dean- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LupinLives Posted August 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Originally posted by Beer Monkey@Aug 16 2004, 01:18 AM I'm going to watch with an open mind. If the writing is good, I might like this series. But my gut reaction is that I'd much rather see another season or two of the Bruce Timm Batman. The 'Insane Clown Posse' Joker makes me ill, at least visually. Mr. Freeze looks like crap. Frankly, Mr. Freeze doesn't belong in this series, which was created to support the new Christian Bale Batman in the same way the Timm series was created to support the Tim Burton Batman. 'The Batman' should be a prequel to the Bruce Timm Batman, and Mr. Freeze does not belong in that chronology. Yeah, I know chronology doesn't count for squat any more, and I'm not one of these anal retentive guys who believes there should be a single, master chronology (not that it is anywhere near possible anyway). But Mr. Freeze just doesn't fit, and should be kept sacred in the animated canon, IMO. He belongs in the Timm Batman 'universe'. Characters like the Joker and Catwoman belong everywhere. I will watch it for a bit as well. I will try to be as open-minded as possible. The Timm series was more in tune with the comics than Burton's movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Monkey Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 The Timm series was more in tune with the comics than Burton's movies. I never said it wasn't (though I can't lump all of the comics together...the Batman of Bob Kane, Jack Schiff, Denny O'Neill, Frank Miller and so on aren't 'a' Batman....they are many different ones). The tone and characters of the Timm Batman don't fit the Burton/Schumacher movies perfectly, but it was indeed created to support the movies, and the exact same thing is being done now with 'The Batman' and the Bale movie (both are young, 'prequel' Batman characters). It is no coincidence that we are getting a new series at the same time as the new movie, and it is no coincidence that both are a 'reboot' of the character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LupinLives Posted August 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Ahh I misunderstood what you were getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Monkey Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 All I'm really saying is that the fact that the new series is 'prequel' makes me even more apprehensive about using Mr. Freeze. Freeze, as he exists today, was created for the Timm universe. If they're going to use him in a prequel, they should make him a different character with a different origin. Well, that's just my opinion and I know some will disagree. If Harley Quinn shows up, I'm mailing a box of dog shit to WB Animation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LupinLives Posted August 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 I thought Mr. Freeze's origin was the same from the comics. Did Timm create the character of Nora for the show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Monkey Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Yeah, Nora is new, and the origin is much more detailed than the generic 'industrial accident creates freak' one of the comics. There's a reason that Mr. Freeze only popped up a handful of times throughout decades of the original comics: he wasn't interesting until Timm made him so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry the Clown Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Paul Dini was actually more instrumental than Bruce Timm in the case of re-thinking the Mr Freeze backstory. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Monkey Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 I knew that Dini scripted on Heart of Ice, but I didn't know that he created the backstory. Regardless, it's all the B:TAS universe, and Freeze/Zero was never interesting or well developed until then. Schumacher's 'Batman and Robin' based the Freeze origin on the TAS one, but I've never been able to sit all the way through the movie (seriously...I skipped the theater and have only seen pieces on HBO). Going back to character designs, am I the only one who prefers some of the 'WB' designs over the 'Fox' ones? I think Robin, Batgirl, and Ivy looked better, but that Bruce/Bats, Freeze, Catwoman and Gordon looked worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LupinLives Posted August 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 When I saw the design for the Joker it made me think back to Kevin Smith talking about his draft for Superman. Apparently Kevin met with the producers and all they could talk about were giant robots and super dogs. This reaks of the same thing...some dude with no connection to Batman or comics sitting their going...yeah let's make an ICP Joker...and let's make it edgy, yeah edgy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Zot Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Just watch Teen Titans, it's the best animated show on TV right now... forget the new Batman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romier S Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Just watch Teen Titans, it's the best animated show on TV right now... forget the new Batman. Same folks who handle Teen Titans are the folks doing this new Batman series I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Monkey Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Just watch Teen Titans, it's the best animated show on TV right now... forget the new Batman. Or wait to see how 'The Batman' is written, which ultimately is more important than the character designs. Actually, I'm not wild about some of the 'anime' designs of TT, plus everybody has to be toothpick thin....Kate Moss superheroes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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