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Guys If you are a SW fan you MUST pick up Labyrinth of Evil. Im not joking. Im 2/3 of the way done and im going to finish it now. Its a excellent read, and answers so many questions everyone has had during the prequals, and during the Clone Wars mini. Mentions a ton of charectors , connects the missing dots and so forth.


1-Is Syfo Dias and Sideous the same person?

2-Did Syfo Dias actually place the clone order?

3-How did Dooku find Sideous

4-Who was Sideous's Master

5-Who is this general gervious and where did he come from?

6-You learn something about Maul's place in the Sith Master/Apprentice duo



Ill have more once im done with the book. there is a lot of stuff about the jedi, palpentine, Bail and so forth as well


GO BUY IT :rock



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So mull on the above and let me know, some valid points or total bantha fodder?

You lost me at first mention of George's midi whatsits fabrication. :) It's been said the 'vanishing act� is something we see Yoda teach Obi Wan in the final prequel, I think Lucas said he'd be explaining that. I'm not sure how far I'd go with the KOTOR echoes element since anyone creating a plot point in the expanded universe be it in videogames, books and so on, is free to do as they pretty much wish but Lucas can happily dismiss what others have dreamt up if he so pleases.

The thing is that the whole Yoda issue is certainly easy enough to justify, I mean your idea is perfectly plausible, but really one shouldn't have to try and justify it. Well before Clones came out, before they began shooting in fact, many fans asked if Yoda was going to fight because they had seen in one of the Phantom Menace books that Yoda had a baby lightsaber, but McCallum and Lucas both rubbished the idea admitting the very prospect of it would be ridiculous and somewhat defeat the point of Yoda, yet come 2002 there he is leaping about. It seemed an element he began to make up as he went along, purely because there was some fan demand for it (just like working in a way to use Boba Fett again). In doing this, he just kind of shamelessly and needlessly over complicates elements seen in Star Wars, Empire and Jedi.

Yoda fighting, like fans love of Boba Fett, is really an element fans always kind of wanted to see (or known more about in Boba�s case) for the fun of it, but never really needed to see at the end of the day. Again I keep going back to my issue with the prequels in (tediously I know, I know) arguing they show nothing we as an audience never needed to see, but that�s what is true to me when I look at them. The prequels just see Lucas failing to accept that a factor in good storytelling is that often some things are best left unsaid or left to remain a mystery� and let�s face it, the back story a lot of fans conjured up themselves in the past twenty years far excelled the actual result of the latest three movies.


I havent heard if Anakin fights as Vader yet. Which we have all hoped for


I�d presume Anakin certainly takes the name of �Darth Vader� prior to his duel with Obi Wan� as for him doing any damage once he�s in the suit� I don�t know. Think About it. Is that really going to be any different to seeing him fight in IV, V and VI? It�d be unfortunate if he is seen to fight in Episode III in the suit and is supremely agile since come the classic trilogy he�s obviously weighed down by age, but predominantly what makes him slow in duelling Luke and Obi Wan was the mechanics inside and the suit itself.

One has to remember Vader pretty much becomes a useless asset of sorts to Palpatine from the moment of Anakin�s defeat against Obi Wan. In Episode III, Palpatine sees Dooku as ageing and useless, so he has Anakin deal with him and take his place, just as he lures Luke to do in Jedi because Vader is utterly useless and once suited, far from the fresh and powerful ally Palpatine had anticipated having before Anakin got burnt to a crisp.

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I just finished up the Labryinth of Evil which Lucas had input into to keep the story correct and there is a scene which involves the last thing you mention Dan



The book ends right before the opening crawl of Episode III. I dont want to spoil anything for those who dont know how it starts. However Dooku a few pages before the end is headed to Coruscant as the end game is near as there final plan is set. Dooku ecalls a conversation he had with sideous how he wants dooku to fight Obi and Anakin. Kill Obi so anakin goes into rage. If Anakin loose's to Dooku then he is not what he had hoped, and if he beats dooku he would interveane to spare Dooku the embarassment" Kind of like what he did for Vader in ROTJ

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The book ends right before the opening crawl of Episode III. I dont want to spoil anything for those who dont know how it starts. However Dooku a few pages before the end is headed to Coruscant as the end game is near as there final plan is set. Dooku ecalls a conversation he had with sideous how he wants dooku to fight Obi and Anakin. Kill Obi so anakin goes into rage. If Anakin loose's to Dooku then he is not what he had hoped, and if he beats dooku he would interveane to spare Dooku the embarassment"

Hah, I like the sound of that. Of course we know Palpatine is lying to Dooku as far as 'intervening' is concerned. I like this about Lucas' approach with the six films, that he plays elements in the prequels off of similar elements in the classic trilogy. Anakin loses as hand, as does Luke.... Palpatine sees Anakin as a way to be rid of Dooku (his puppet), as he sees Luke as a way to dispense of Vader (also his puppet) and so on.

This fact, after seeing Clones made me wonder about one thing. Given Lucas� work at playing scenes from both trilogies off of one another, I did wonder if Dooku would try and redeem himself to do something for the good of the situation in Sith, thus mimicking Vader�s sudden change of heart in Jedi, only where Vader succeeds in film six, Dooku would fail in film three. I would like it if Lucas is smart enough to go that route with Dooku as it would certainly add dimension to Lee�s character.

It�s really his one line to Obi Wan in Clones that sparked that idea in my head back when the movie opened, where he says that together they can destroy the Sith� One has to wonder if, despite clear delusions of power, his intentions deep down are decent, and that in working beside Sideous he could bring the Sith down from the inside and form his new order replacing both Sith and Jedi.

Whether Lucas has gone this route I�ve no idea� It�ll be a missed opportunity if he hasn�t but then, such has been the case with many elements in the prequels. :(


Which is knowledge Yoda acquires from Qui-Gon in the final movie from what I've heard.

What like in a "Master Yoda, you'll never believe this neat trick I learnt here on the other side" sense? Perhaps capped off with a "sorry I couldn't reveal myself in ghost form to tell you Anakin was an evil bastard and all the Jedi were going to die sooner" :) It would actually be nice to have some Liam Neeson closure.

My, my... look at all the spoiler tags. :)
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Dan go buy this book. Most of what you just said is discussed in it



The stuff that Dooku said to Obi is heavily discussed in a few parts of the book, and towards the end of the book as things look Grim ( as of course dooku dosnt know all of sideous's plan) he thinks about what he would do when the war ended. He mentions how he couldnt go back to the temple and so forth. The entire book has talks of dookus past and how he came to leave the jedi , and his path to where he is now. Its very intresting. Also Qui-Gon is brought up in the book a lot as well

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What like in a "Master Yoda, you'll never believe this neat trick I learnt here on the other side" sense? Perhaps capped off with a "sorry I couldn't reveal myself in ghost form to tell you Anakin was an evil bastard and all the Jedi were going to die sooner" It would actually be nice to have some Liam Neeson closure.


In a way, yes. Qui-gon is apparently the first Jedi to appear in ghost form and he does so to counsel Yoda. From the heavy spoilers I have read, Yoda isn't the "big cheese" Master at the end of the day. Qui-Gon is. It's more along the lines of "Master Yoda, you've all been wrong. The way to defeat the Sith doesn't lie in rigid training, midichlorians or what not. It lies in what we have forbidden Jedi to explore. It lies in what eventually led to the destruction of the Jedi order....LOVE!


One of the primary reasons Anakin turns to the dark side of the force is because of a nightmare he continues to have of Amidala dying. To prevent that from happening he allows Palpatine to manipulate him into thinking the power of the Sith can stop it. Sideous tells Anakin of Darth Plagueis (Darth Sideous' former master) and the power he had at his disposal. He also tells him of how he killed his former master and how that power is now his (Palpatine's) to wield. With that power he can help Anakin prevent Amidala's death. Love is the true balance of the force. It can save the Jedi or destroy it looks to be message of the third movie. This plays nicely into the original trilogy also as it is Luke's love for his father that redeems him at the end.


Getting back to Yoda though, in a sense Yoda has to "unlearn what he has learned" as a Jedi Master. To incorporate more than just training, battle etc into the Jedi regiment so to speak. This makes for a nice tie-in into the original trilogy as well when you look at Luke's decision to leave Dagobah and save his friends. Yoda's words of caution to him show that newer emphasis on balancing his need to further his training or succumb to the love he has for his friends.


I'll say it again, I think this last film has a great shot at making us all re-evaluate the previous films in the Star Wars saga. I don't know if it will make the prequels feel more "necessary" for you Dan. I know that has been a sour spot for you regarding the the prequel films in general. If, however, Lucas can tie everything together, I think it will further our appreciation of the story he is trying to tell.

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Ive undone all the spoiler tags so its a easier read. Also got rid of a few posts which led to this new thread.


Ill have more thoughts later tonight on a few things from the book. A few other things from it came to mind as i was reading the book Yoda Dark Rendezovous which i picked up today. It takes place right before Labyrith and is supposed to be just as good according to all the reviews





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The full "shizzy" on the final battle between Anakin, Obi-Wan and Count Dooku. Very tasty and the full on spoilers here folks:


The ongoing space battle over Coruscant is visible outside the massive windows of the General's Quarters on board the Federation Cruiser. The multi-leveled room is cold and metallic, featuring familiar flower-shaped control consoles on either side of the room. Palpatine can be seen, cuffed to a large (and also familiar) chair, across the room. The sound of the large entry doors are heard and our heroes Obi-Wan and Anakin step in, looking over the room from the small balcony. The two proceed down one of the sets of stairs on either side of the balcony and walk to the kidnapped Chancellor. There doesn't seem to be any sign of the rumored General Grievous... maybe this won't be so hard after all.


Just as the two Jedi reach Palpatine, a concerned look comes over him, and with a nod, he simply says, "Dooku". Anakin and Obi-Wan turn to see Count Dooku step through the entry doors with a SuperBattleDroid at each side. He casually walks forward to the railing and in a sudden and surprising acrobatic feat he springs forward, flipping and twisting over the railing, and sticks a solid landing on the floor below. Rising from his crouched position he unclips his curved lightsaber from his belt, but does not ignite it. The two droids stand guard at the doorway above.


Dooku strides across the room confidently and says, "Your swords please, gentlemen. We don't want to make a mess of things in front of the Chancellor." The two Jedi are not about to underestimate the Count again. They immediately begin shedding their robes in preparation for battle. They walk forward to meet Dooku in the middle of the room. "This time we'll take him together." says Obi-Wan to his former apprentice. Anakin replies, "I was just about to say the same thing." as they come to a stop, standing face to face with Dooku once again.


"You won't get away this time, Dooku." states Obi-Wan as he ignites his lightsaber. Anakin does the same. Dooku holds his saber out at his side and switches it on as well. "Do not assume that just because there are two of you, that you have the advantage." warns Dooku. Palpatine looks on anxiously.


Within moments the duel has begun and the three fighters engage in a flurry of attacks and spins. Dooku manages to keep both Jedi at bay with some extravagant swordplay. After a few seconds the fighting breaks and Dooku steps away from the Jedi, backing toward the entrance side of the room. Anakin and Obi-Wan follow cautiously and together they attack again. This part of the room is more open and the three now fight with large lunges and traverse much more distance. Acting on a quick moment of weakness, Dooku thrusts out his open palm at Obi-Wan, and sends the Jedi flying backward with the Force. Anakin does not hesitate to continue his attack on the Sith Lord who cost him his arm 3 years ago. Anakin fights Dooku with much skill and confidence. Clearly, he has grown much more powerful since their last encounter. Anakin forces Dooku backward, and up the nearest set of stairs to the raised balcony.


Obi-Wan gets back to his feet and heads for the other set of stairs. The two SuperBattleDroids on the balcony now open fire on Obi-Wan, who blocks and deflects the blaster shots as he proceeds up the stairs. He ricochets one blaster bolt back at the farthest droid, which strikes the droid's chest and takes him out. The other droid continues shooting and begins walking down the stairs. Obi-Wan swiftly hacks the SuperBattleDroid in half as he passes it to reach the top of the stairs. He rejoins the action and the duel becomes two-on-one again.


Dooku is determined to seperate his opponents so that he can handle them each separately. Dooku delivers a strong kick to Anakin, which sends him tumbling back. Dooku then uses the Force to attack Obi-Wan once again. This time he holds Obi-Wan in place, and levitates him several feet up. Then, in a quick motion, he sends Obi-Wan flying across the room, and into a balcony on a far wall. After smashing into the balcony's railing, Obi-Wan drops to the floor, unconscious. Dooku intends to finish the job and as he holds out his hand, he uses the Force to pry that balcony from the wall, allowing it to fall onto Obi-Wan. The balcony crashes down, but only part of it lands on Obi-Wan's leg.


Anakin attacks Dooku with even more fury. They fight their way back down the stairs to the floor below. As they grind their sabers against each other, Dooku comments that he senses the dark side in Skywalker: Anger, aggression... "But you do not use it." he says. They clash swords again and fight their way back closer to Palpatine, who watches intently. Dooku and Anakin do battle with all they've got, and in a very quick motion, the victor is revealed.


Anakin hits down Dooku's arms with his lightsaber hilt and pulls Dooku's saber out of his hands in the moment of confusion. Simultaneously he slices his blade through both of Dooku's wrists. Dooku reacts with a shocked expression, and the triumphant Anakin stands tall with a lightsaber in each hand. Dooku looks at his cut-off forearms and drops to his knees. Anakin steps forward and lowers the lightsaber blades in a scissor-like fashion to Dooku's neck.


Dooku looks up at Anakin and for the first time we see fear in his eyes. Anakin is now hesitating, realizing that killing Dooku is unnecessary since he can now be easily arrested. In a commanding tone, Palpatine says to finish him. Breaking character, Dooku turns to Palpatine with a look of suprise and says, "What?! You promised me amnesty..." This only seems to confuse Anakin. Palpatine again insists that Anakin finish the job. "I know I shouldn't..." Anakin says to himself. But after a few more of Palpatine's words, Anakin looks down at the defenseless Sith Lord and decides it's time to put an end to him for good. Anakin throws his arms to the sides, causing each lightsaber blade to slice through Dooku's neck, decapitating him. Anakin watches as Dooku's head tumbles off of his torso, which promptly collapses to the ground.


Anakin helps palpatine out of his restraints. As Palpatine rubs his chafed wrists and stands, he reassures Anakin, "He was too dangerous to be left alive." Anakin expresses some remorse at what he's done, but Palpatine reminds him that this is not the first time he's done something like this. "Remember what you told me?" Palpatine says, "About your mother and the Sand people?" Anakin does not continue the conversation as he rushes to his fallen friend Obi-Wan. Anakin pulls him from the balcony and inspects him. Palpatine walks past them in a bit of a rush and heads up the stairs toward the doorway.


Anakin reports that Obi-Wan doesn't appear severely hurt. Palpatine turns and looks down from the balcony. "Leave him." he says. Anakin looks up as if to demand an explanation. Palpatine says that they must go quickly, and taking Obi-Wan would only slow them down. Anakin states that he will not leave Obi-Wan behind... "His fate will be our own."

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That last shot, that production shot of McCallum running the slate in front of Vader and Palpatine against the green screen. Look at Ian Mcdiarmid�s make up there, it seems almost spot on with his look in Jedi... Although I don't care for the rubber face shots from elsewhere in the movie, just how his visual progression evolves throughout the picture certainly is something I am intrigued to see..

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I really didn't want to go into this final Star Wars movie with a lot of anticipation, BUT it's really looking cool!


Man im way past anticipation right now. Between reading Labyrith of Evil and Yoda:Dark rendezvous, seeing spoilers for ROTS and rewatching AOTC after the books im so fired up for the movies you have no idea. Im glad the ROTS novel comes out April 1st. Dont think i can wait till May for the movie ;)


In that picture summary they left out the Wookie Battle, and when the Clones are ordered to turn on the jedi



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