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Does anyone really care about 007 anymore? Bond is so dull...we need a new super-spy movie hero. Give me a Splinter Cell series over a corny Bond movie any day. Sam Fisher could gut the whole of MI6 without being seen. ;)

Seriously though, even the Bourne Identity films are a much more interesting spy series than Bond has ever been. The fact that the Bond films lack any grounding in reality just cause me to loose interest really fast.

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Seriously though, even the Bourne Identity films are a much more interesting spy series than Bond has ever been. The fact that the Bond films lack any grounding in reality just cause me to loose interest really fast.

 

Indeed, though as far as the question of anybody caring anymore is concerned it?s worth remembering that each of the Brosnan 007 outings progressively took more and more at the box office each time, despite the fact with each one his films got arguably worse and worse. Again it's my argument that audiences will put up with this kind of shit again and again... Heck I remember two years ago admitting even I liked elements of the last one, which I still do (story elements?and er? Roasmund Pike), but just when it was at least tolerable and on par with World is not Enough (also not that great but in my mind, his second best after Goldeneye) it actually fell into that which the series is parodied so often for and went into 'giant space laser' territory!

 

Couple that with the smutty innuendo the writing team have the audacity to call "wit" and absolutely, I think audiences should be looking to something like the Bourne movies and challenging Bond to rise to that level of more grounded excitement. I think the Bourne films are good examples that you can do these rather large scale films and appeal to a wide spectrum of those wanting excitement and an interesting story with an above average screenplay. I?d also say films like Bourne and a more grounded sophisticated Bond could co-exist quite easily given there are certain aspects one simply can not take away from 007.

 

You can perhaps take some comfort in the fact the Bond producers and director Martin Campbell have said Casino Royale will see Bond return to spy thriller territory rather than action film, but I believe the writers responsible for the last three (Neal Purvis and Robert Wade) are still on board to adapt the book so goodness knows how it may turn out.

 

David Arnold might want to pull back just a little on the electronics on the scores too in future, though the poor man at least admitted they dominated the Die Another Day score so much due to his efforts to keep the music heard above the atrociously loud sound mix. Has anyone notice how each Brosnan 007 film gets progressively louder?

 

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Daniel Craig?

 

Apparently, he's denied it today.

 

The BBC talked to EON, EON stated they won't be making any decisions/announcements (allegedly...) until Campbell is finished with the new Zorro movie later this year.

 

I suspect we may still end up with Brosnan & that a lot of this is politcs between the two parties for a better contract.

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Does anyone really care about 007 anymore? Bond is so dull...we need a new super-spy movie hero. Give me a Splinter Cell series over a corny Bond movie any day. Sam Fisher could gut the whole of MI6 without being seen.

 

I'm not sure if you're kidding or not, Camp, but if you have it already, grab your copy of Chaos Theory, go to the solo mode and select the Movie Trailer option. Ask and ye shall receive.

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Has anyone notice how each Brosnan 007 film gets progressively louder?

 

Definitely - quite apart from how insultingly poor both story and visuals are in DAD, the main reason I have no intention of watching my DVD a second time is that I have to turn it up enough to wake the whole street just to make out the dialogue. It's a completely insane mix; probably the worst in my collection.

 

But you're also right that things have just got progressively worse. Arnold's TWINE score is probably one of my most played soundtrack CDs, but you can barely hear his excellent work in the pre-credits chase over the irritating whine of motor-boat engines.

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Does anyone really care about 007 anymore?

Very much so.

 

 

I would disagree with the soundtrack on DAD. No problems with the dialog even at lower levels.

 

I just wish they'd make up their mind already on the whole Bond thing. I don't mind any of the 3 choices right now. I just hope they took clues from how Bourne is made and adapt some. The whole Bond saga(as much as I love it) has become more of a big marketing campaign.

Seriously though, even the Bourne Identity films are a much more interesting spy series than Bond has ever been.

I would utterly disagree. Bourne as good as it is doesn't hold the jockstrap of Sean Connery and Bond in that era. Icamp can't be serious with this comment.

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Definitely - quite apart from how insultingly poor both story and visuals are in DAD, the main reason I have no intention of watching my DVD a second time is that I have to turn it up enough to wake the whole street just to make out the dialogue.

 

I like the first forty odd minutes of the story, not so much the execution of the story which is certainly flawed, but certainly the blueprint behind it with Bond being dismissed by M and so on, that?s all rather interesting (though a semi-reprise of him getting his license revoked in Licence to Kill of course). Swanning soaking wet into the hotel foyer to the brassy undertones of the theme tune is something that always made me chuckle.

 

Things take a turn for the worst when Halle Berry appears and is used as a tool for smutty innuendo, and then the facial surgery nonsense comes into it, then the invisible car and finally the movie just collapses in on itself entirely as soon as he gets out to the ice palace.

 

 

It's a completely insane mix; probably the worst in my collection.

 

It no longer resides in my collection I have to say. I recently decided the desire to own every single Bond film, even the ones I disliked, purely on the bases that for a cinephile, it?s a collection to have, had since left me. I left myself with all of Connery?s save Diamond?s Are Forever (which is garbage) and On her Majesty?s Secret Service. A couple of the Moore ones are ok (Live and Let Die I rather Like), but I may put those back in my collection in HD one day.

 

 

Arnold's TWINE score is probably one of my most played soundtrack CDs, but you can barely hear his excellent work in the pre-credits chase over the irritating whine of motor-boat engines.

 

I think his World is Not Enough is his best 007 score. He got the balance of orchestra and electronics just right there. I yearn for an expanded release of that one, but even in promotional form nothing surfaced, which is a shame as a legitimate expanded Tomorrow Never Dies came out to buy some years back and I have a complete two-disc score promo for Die Another Day in my collection.

 

Daniel

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I would utterly disagree. Bourne as good as it is doesn't hold the jockstrap of Sean Connery and Bond in that era. Icamp can't be serious with this comment.

 

I am quite serious.

I was also discussing the 'modern' Bond more so than Connery's Bond. The Connery films were, as a whole, much better than everything than came afterwards. The modern Bond films are just goofy. I prefer the Bourne style where the story and action actually feel as if they could be happening right now -as opposed to the campy fantasy world James Bond lives in.

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That was Wednesday. Thursday's Bond news was Craig denying everything, and the BBC managing to get a comment out of EON that nothing at all will be confirmed and definite until Martin Campbell finishes up The Legend Of Zorro and is ready to start work on Casino Royale anyway.

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