foogledricks Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 I've been saying this all along. The PS3 is not a game machine. It is a printer, toaster, or grill. But not a game machine, as Sony's president says: The PlayStation [3] is not a game machine. We've never once called it a game machine the PS3 isn't designed to lean towards games. It's not a computer for children. In the sense that our goal has been [to create] a computer that's meant for entertainment I can understand the [Xbox 360's] approach of adopting multiple, all-purpose processors. However, that will just raise integer calculation capabilities, and it will only benefit general applications. It will increase the machine's capabilities as an all-purpose computer, but it won't change the types of entertainment. He went on to say that Microsoft's new game console is more of an "Xbox 1.5" than a new console, in the sense that it seems like an extension of the original Xbox. Now this is really interesting: Users will be able to store their content in an online storage server called the 'Cell Storage.' And the Cell processor, when it's not being used, can refine the content's quality. We call it the 'aging' process. By using the Cell's security feature, users will be able to rip DVDs that include copyright protection and lay it in the storage area to refine its video quality. Both Sony and Microsoft are speaking in a lot of generalities about their new Entertainment features. This is understandable given the new direction their going. Frankly and contrary to some of the people on this forum, I'm actually excited about the direction they are both going. In some ways it seems like they might alienate some of their audience by making their consoles more complicated and expensive. On the other hand, that means they're really shooting for geeks like me. It's looking more and more that Nintendo may have a decent marketing angle with their "We're concentrating on the games" message. I don't personally subscribe to that message, because I know games will be awesome and plenty on the PS3 and 360. But the message is looking more and more legitimate as Sony and Microsoft release more info on their ambitious plans. On the flip side, like online play and lack of DVD support has hurt Nintendo in the eyes of some hardcore gamers, perhaps five years from now we'll all be saying, "Why buy a machine that can only play games when a PS4 plays games AND monitors my security cameras." Here is the article link, though I've included the most interesting quotes: http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/24/news_6126423.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyN Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 I love when companies say its not a game machine when thats the main purpose of the thing. With all the other features on it, people are still buying it because it plays games. When was the last time you heard someone say "Im gonna buy *insert game system* to just watch DVDs, or Im buying a xbox just so i can rip music to it so listen capt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splunk Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 I love when companies say its not a game machine when thats the main purpose of the thing. With all the other features on it' date=' people are still buying it because it plays games. When was the last time you heard someone say "Im gonna buy *insert game system* to just watch DVDs, or Im buying a xbox just so i can rip music to it so listen capt[/quote'] I actually hear that quite a bit from people wanting to buy an Xbox and turn it into a media server....but as to how many I've actually seen follow through on it = 0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Monkey Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 By using the Cell's security feature, users will be able to rip DVDs that include copyright protection and lay it in the storage area to refine its video quality. I'm going to buy a PS3 so I can age my DVD's properly for the first time. I've been using a Brinkman charcoal smoker and it just doesn't cut it. I use hickory for action movies and apple for comedies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 I'm going to buy a PS3 so I can age my DVD's properly for the first time. I've been using a Brinkman charcoal smoker and it just doesn't cut it. I use hickory for action movies and apple for comedies. :lmfao Sony said the same thing about the PSP - at the release, the Prez got up on stage (with Carson Daly at his side, no less) and said, "If anyone calls the PSP a game machine, kill him." I kid you not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Monkey Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Sony said the same thing about the PSP - at the release' date=' the Prez got up on stage (with Carson Daly at his side, no less) and said, "If anyone calls the PSP a game machine, kill him." I kid you not.[/quote'] Was he saying that to Carson Daly?! If so, what does that mean? Should we fear Carson Daly for reasons unrelated to his body of work on MTV? Is Carson Daly a merciless killing machine, just waiting to be unleashed by his corporate masters upon his unwitting vicitims? This "not a game machine" seems like silly stuff, on the same level as MS's "Suzy Hipster will get an Xbox to design outfits." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoisonJam Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 So it's an "entertainment supercomputer" whose primary purpose is to play games, but not a game machine. Okay, got it. Boy, I'm glad that damaging misconception was cleared up. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm about to step into my "personal transport/portable storage unit" to make a Starbucks run. God help you if any of you call it a "car". :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Oh, shut your eating / speaking / breathing hole. Now that you mention it, maybe he was saying it to Carson Daly, thereby planting an Order 66 designed to maul all simple gamers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Zot Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 I actually hear that quite a bit from people wanting to buy an Xbox and turn it into a media server....but as to how many I've actually seen follow through on it = 0. Well, you know me I suppose, so that makes the total = 1. I don't know what Sony is thinking. Sure, the 360 is geared 100% to be an entertainment hub, but why the heck does S* feel the need to compete? They are already the 800 lb gorilla in consoles, all they need do is hype their games stable like at E3 and they'll likely be #1 again. All I can figure is this is more 'me too' type marketing, left intentionally vague with the intention of taking the wind out of a competitor's sails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Well' date=' you know me I suppose, so that makes the total = 1. I don't know what Sony is thinking. Sure, the 360 is geared 100% to be an entertainment hub, but why the heck does S* feel the need to compete? They are already the 800 lb gorilla in consoles, all they need do is hype their games stable like at E3 and they'll likely be #1 again. All I can figure is this is more 'me too' type marketing, left intentionally vague with the intention of taking the wind out of a competitor's sails.[/quote'] They've been calling the PlayStation an entertainment hub for years, ever since the original PSX played CDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Zot Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Exactly, what the hell have they been thinking since the PSX? Sure the consoles play DVDs and CDs, but it's a game machine. Even the xbox was just a game machine until you modded it. The 360 seems to be an true entertainment hub right out of the box. The PS3 will do Blu-ray, and who knows waht all this online Cell storage biz is about, but I don't know, entertainment hub? I hope it is, but this is smacking of stretching the truth a bit to create a image that might not be true. You make awesome games for your games machine, be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoisonJam Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 My friend PlayerLuv raised an interesting question about this...is it possible that Sony is positioning themselves to come in at a higher pricepoint than MS with this statement? Kind of a pre-emptive justification for coming in at, say, $500 if the 360 is $400? "Oh, we know it is more than the X360, but it does so much more...", etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 My friend PlayerLuv raised an interesting question about this...is it possible that Sony is positioning themselves to come in at a higher pricepoint than MS with this statement? Kind of a pre-emptive justification for coming in at, say, $500 if the 360 is $400? "Oh, we know it is more than the X360, but it does so much more...", etc. Sure, but remember about this time last year when we were all speculating that Sony would have to see the PSP for at least 300, if not more, when they were setting it up to compete with the iPod and similar units? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foogledricks Posted May 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 My friend PlayerLuv raised an interesting question about this...is it possible that Sony is positioning themselves to come in at a higher pricepoint than MS with this statement? Kind of a pre-emptive justification for coming in at, say, $500 if the 360 is $400? "Oh, we know it is more than the X360, but it does so much more...", etc.What you say makes sense. Except that part about the homosexual dancing monkey. Don't know what that was about. Oh, looks like you went back and deleted that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustyjaw Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 My friend PlayerLuv raised an interesting question about this...is it possible that Sony is positioning themselves to come in at a higher pricepoint than MS with this statement? Kind of a pre-emptive justification for coming in at, say, $500 if the 360 is $400? "Oh, we know it is more than the X360, but it does so much more...", etc. I hope Sony isn't that dumb. I think you could just as easily argue that they might bring out the PS3 at the same price-point as the 360 with similar positioning: "Hey everyone, look, our content refinery is the same price as their game toy!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyVolpe Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 1) THE PS3, PSP, AND XBOX ARE GAME MACHINES 2) I don't need to worry about Carson Daly killing me because he's most likely too busy schtupping one of his underage MTV groupies Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romier S Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Even more interesting information on the "not a gaming machine" talk. The Playstation 3 HDD will run Linux out of the box. Sony wants to make sure the Playstation 3 is considered a "computer" above all things and it plans to not include an HDD with the system. They will include a 2.5in HD bay for varying sizes of HDD's up to 120gig and beyond. You can read the news and an interview with Kutaragi here: http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/09/news_6127219.html IPCW: Do you mean to say that you'll run an OS on the PS3 to use it as a computer? KK: I believe its wrong that, while we've been calling PlayStations "computers," Nintendo, which is in our same business, keeps telling the world their consoles are "toys." So even though we're making something that has the capability to be recognized as a supercomputer and requires paperwork when exporting or importing, the government sees it as a "toy." The PlayStation 2 has something as great as the Emotion Engine, and it can even run Linux, but it's still considered a gaming machine. I thought that the situation would become better since Microsoft appeared [in the gaming industry] from the IT field. But they won't say it either, since they want to protect their business. They see problems if the Xbox could run Windows, so they keep calling the Xbox a "game machine." It is really a pain in the neck. This time, we're positioning the PS3 as a "supercomputer." But people won't recognize it as a computer unless we call it a computer, so we're going to run an OS on it. In fact, the Cell can run multiple OSes. In order to run the OSes, we need a HDD. So in order to declare that the PS3 is a computer, I think we'll have [the PS3's HDD] pre-installed with Linux as a bonus. IPCW: So Linux can be run on the Cell. KK: Linux is legacy, but it will be a start. In the case of the Cell, operation systems are applications. The kernel will be running on the Cell, and multiple OSes will be running on top of that as applications. Of course the PS3 can run Linux. If Linux can run, so can Lindows. Other PC Operating Systems can run too, such as Windows and Tiger (Max OS X 10.4), if the publishers want to do so. Maybe a new OS might come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenMonkey Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Sure It'll run Linux out of the box Yeah Right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandondragons Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 I'm interested in the original post: it's a toaster. Now if they can make Final Fantasy Bagels then I'm in. Remember when games used to struggle to be taken seriously? Now these game companies take themselves wayyy too seriously. ...but...Final Fantasy Bagels? I'm on to something here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustyjaw Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 I'm really confused by those quotes from KK. My suspicion is that my confusion is either from lousy translation, or that he himself is confused. I don't understand why it's so important to convince everyone that the PS3 is a supercomputer. If they are that concerned, why is the word "Play" in there? Not only that, the consensus is that the Cell would not make a good desktop computer chip. And exactly what is this? The kernel will be running on the Cell, and multiple OSes will be running on top of that as applications. Uh, Linux IS a kernel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenMonkey Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 ...but...Final Fantasy Bagels? I'm on to something here SWEET. Final Fantasy Anything generally = Sold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoisonJam Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 If they are that concerned, why is the word "Play" in there? My guess is they couldn't fit "SuperComputerStation" on the front of the box in that spiffy Spidey text. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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