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It'll be interesting to see how well hockey is received once the season starts. Did the cancellation of an entire season and playoffs do irreparable damage or will fans embrace it like a long-lost love (absence makes the heart grow fonder)?

 

I heard they might be instituting a rule change too (something about two line passes?).

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How is the game ruined? Did a cap ruin football and basketball? No it hasnt . I agree there should be contraction but that is not going to happen as it gives more players jobs.

 

Two of the rule changes being considered

 

 

  • Removal of Red Line
  • If there is a Tie after one OT they do a shootout like Int Rules

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It's going to make the games more competitive. You can't buy the best players anymore as you did like teams try to do in Baseball or the way Hockey was.

 

Balance is the key and the game with some better rules will expand. Personally and I know I'm a minority but I'd rather them get rid of the fighting. I wonder if they tried it one year if it would improve the image of hockey. I know blasphemy.

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I'd rather them get rid of the fighting

 

Hockey with no fighting , is no hockey at all . ESPN and Fox Sports both have very good breakdowns of how many players each teams have signed, and which players they think will be bought out. There looks to be a crazy free agent period

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Hockey with no fighting , is no hockey at all

The other sports do w/o it just fine. They are just as rough as well. I expect some resistance to it but I don't mind. I just think hockey had an image problem PRIOR to the whole lockout and they need some help. This would help IMHO. Anytime you ask folks about hockey they think of fighting and why they don't like it. These are non fans too.

 

Even w/o the strike, the NHL was in trouble and I don't mean financially.

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The NHL was in trouble for a few reasons. Fighting was not one of them. The games had way too many penalty stoppages because of offsides/two line pass which cause the games to drag. Not enough scoring because of the trap defense system. The goalie equipment has become very big, and they have too much control over getting the puck.

 

What id also like to see if the penalized team cant ice the puck. Why should they be able to if they are Penalized?

 

The other problem is too much expansion. Look back to 1994. The NY Rangers (who i hate by the way) won the stanley cup in a classic playoffs. Everyone in NY was talking about it. People tuned in. Hockey was getting more popular. So the NHL decided to add teams, and even though the expansion didnt work they added again and again. Now they have too many teams in places where they do not belong. Nashville? Carolina? Florida? Pheonix? When you think of those places the last thing you think of is Ice. Then the one which always makes me wonder. Why put a hockey team in Atlanta? They dont even go to see the Braves play baseball in the playoffs or the Hawks.

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I just don't see why the teams that are doing well should have to suffer because they others are mis-managed, I mean if you can't draw a crowd, sell any merchandise, or make a profit than maybe you should consider selling the team or moving it. Personally I think if the higher revenue teams are going to have to carry the others I'd rather see those other teams in cities that would want and appreciate those teams.

 

Regardless of the cap too many teams = too many players. There's way too many players that aren't good enough to be in the NHL, teams use these guys who hook, hold, and otherwise muck up and slow down the game to fill out their rosters. I do agree with most of the rule changes I've heard being thrown around though.

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The NHL was in trouble for a few reasons. Fighting was not one of them

I didn't say it was a problem as much as the NHL has and now has a worse Image problem. It isn't a problem per say but it does tend to put a negative light on the sport and a sport that needs all the help it can get. They need nonfans to become fans. Do you have any other ideas?

 

Changing the rules will help some but I'm telling you when you ask folks about hockey(non fans), the first thing they mention is how the fighting turns them off. Try it for a year and see what happens. If no change, then go back to the way it was. Could it hurt? I don't think so. They are already in the dumpster and getting owned by Nascar. :thud

 

No legitimate sport should be owned by Nascar in ratings. Sorry.

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I may be in a minority, but I don't watch hockey because of the fighting. I can't take a sport seriously that lets that silly stuff go on. I'm with exile on this one.

 

Fighting in hockey has two images: casual fans see fighting as a cheap marketing ploy. They saw Slap Shot and have heard stories about minor league teams actually promoting the game as a series of gladiator battles punctuated by brief moments of a team sport.

 

Real hockey fans see fighting is an occasional result of a deep on-ice strategy involving intimidation and posturing. On the surface it's a simple game of "play too physical with our finesse players and we have someone for you to answer to." However, this has evolved into a much deeper psychological drama where teams attempt to out manuever one another on multiple levels of intimidation. An actual fight only breaks out when that intimidation has pushed the opponent to the boiling point (or, in defense of a skill player).

 

The real problem with violence in the NHL occurs when unskilled players resort to cheating in an effort to keep up with better players. Cheating like all the clutching and grabbing NHL referees allow. Skill players should not have to deal with "creative stick work" by lesser skilled defenders. One level of the on-ice intimidation is an effort to police this cheating. If the referees aren't going to protect the skilled players teams will enforce the rules physically. "You slash my left wing on a scoring opportunity and I'll put you on your ass."

 

Even Gretzky has said on numerous occassions that if the NHL really wanted to crack down on such cheating (and increase scoring) they'd allow fighting. A simple fact of hockey is that it happens so fast that referees are bound to miss some rather serious infractions. They aren't going to see that defenceman throwing sucker punches at the opposing center as they wrestle against the boards. The other team will react, however, and they will send a message (possibly without fighting) that that sort of behavior is not acceptable.

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It doesn't help when the fights are the only thing from hockey games that make the teaser on SportsCenter. I can count on one hand the number of fights I've seen at the literally dozens of NHL games I've attended. It doesn't happen as often as the media would lead you to believe.

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That's very interesting, Camp; I hadn't thought of fighting as strategy. I understand what you are saying, but from the very beginnings of sport we are taught that fighting is unsportsmanlike and that is what rankles when I see two hockey players slugging it out while the referees sit there and watch. Little league, Pee-Wee football, high school sports, college sports, and in every other pro sport, the emphasis is on sportsmanship with things like shaking hands before and/or after games, and even rough contact is penalized. Actual fighting is grounds for being ejected from the game and suspension from future games. It just goes against what we are taught sports should be about.

 

I appreciate that there is a deeper element to a hockey fight, but to me it's just unacceptable, and it also sends the wrong message to the young fans watching in my opinion. I am raising my son to believe that fighting is wrong. It's never okay to launch a fist into someone's face unless you are defending yourself. I don't want him to watch a sport where that stuff is not only allowed, but actually encouraged and celebrated.

 

I'm getting preachy, though, and also derailing this thread. My only point was that as a non-fan one of the reasons I flip the channel when hockey highlights come on is because of their stance on fighting. I appreciate learning a little more about why that stance exists, though.

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I understand why it exists and Icamps description is right on, that said it doesn't matter to the casual non-fan. While I can definitely agree that the fighting is not comman with hockey as Whooter says(having been to a few Blues games), I think they should send a message early.

 

Still I don't see it changing. They need other rules changes alot worse.

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It's never okay to launch a fist into someone's face unless you are defending yourself. I don't want him to watch a sport where that stuff is not only allowed, but actually encouraged and celebrated.

 

In a way it is defensive, like he iCamp said. My understanding is it's normally used as a deterrant to the really cheap things in hockey that can actually hurt people. With everyone running around with a big wooden stick it's very easy to hurt someone if you don't obey the rules. Highsticking and slashing end up with people taking face injuries and falls.

 

Fights don't happen that often, anyway. I've seen whole games go by without any fights.

 

Yay, hockey is the only sport I have any interest in (admittedly I am reluctantly dragged to watch hockey games by my wife, who loves hockey).

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The argument for fighting could be made in the Bertuzzi/Moore fiasco, if not for the instigator penalty and game misconduct's in place to try and deter fighting, when Moore originally hit Naslund he would have had to have faced the wrath of Vancouvers resident tough guy, and there it would have ended. Instead it festered and we all remember what happened.

 

Another example would be Detroit/Colorado, back when Claude Lemiuex re-arranged Kris Drapers face along the boards, the next time they met Darren McCarty, Detroit's tough guy, got a hold of him and beat the snot out of him, they fought, it ended, nobody went to the hospital and no sticks were involved.

 

Also, the current rules pertaining to fighting can be seen here.

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What would everyone think, particularly the knowledgeable hockey fans (a group of which I do not consider myself a part of), if the NHL adopted the same rules/regulations/rink sizes/etc. as they use in the Olympics?

 

I don't watch enough NHL or Olympic hockey to really know, but I frequently have heard that the style of hockey in the Olympics is more based on skill and speed. Do they allow fighting in the Olympics like they do in the NHL?

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Ok tommorow is the big day. For those hockey fans out there. The leagues owners will ratify the new CBA. At 3 EST the NHL will hold a press conference, followed by the entry draft at 4 EST. For those in canada i know every station up there will be airing this stuff. However in the US you can watch the draft on NHL.com.

 

If you are in the NY/NJ/Conn area and get MSG network they will air everything live starting at 3 est. Also at 9 PM EST there will be a round table with executives from all three local teams , as well as MSG announcers and analysts in which they will talk about the new CBA, the draft and the upcoming weekend of Madness as the free agent madness begins

 

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What would everyone think, particularly the knowledgeable hockey fans (a group of which I do not consider myself a part of), if the NHL adopted the same rules/regulations/rink sizes/etc. as they use in the Olympics?

 

I'd love to see the NHL move to the larger rink size found in the international game. That would solve most problems. However, as mentioned, owners aren't going to adjust the size of the rinks when rule changes can bring similar results. The 2 or 3 rows of top dollar seating most arenas would loose are important revenue.

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The 2 or 3 rows of top dollar seating most arenas would loose are important revenue.

 

Yeah when they charge $120 for those seats, they arent just going to loose them. Expecially since a lot of hockey arena are small. MSG and Nassau Colisseum arent exactly huge arenas by todays standards

 

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What would everyone think' date=' particularly the knowledgeable hockey fans (a group of which I do not consider myself a part of), if the NHL adopted the same rules/regulations/rink sizes/etc. as they use in the Olympics?

 

I don't watch enough NHL or Olympic hockey to really know, but I frequently have heard that the style of hockey in the Olympics is more based on skill and speed. Do they allow fighting in the Olympics like they do in the NHL?[/quote']

Oh please God no. I hate Olympic style hockey. I cannot stand the bigger rinks. To me, hockey is about good hitting, great goaltending, and great stick skills. There is nothing better than seeing a great "clean" check. I'm not a fan of fighting, but I understand why it happens. Hockey is a physical sport, people get pissed, but i much rather see two guys slug it out then start wailing on each other with their hockey sticks. That is too dangerous. The problem with the NHL is they have no idea how to market their sport.

 

-Dean-

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The press conference and draft for the draft order took place. heres the info . The season will start on october 5th and all 30 teams will play opening night. Pitts Penguins won the draft so it looks like Sidney Crosby will be going there. The player draft will be next saturday . There are a bunch of rules changes

 

 

 

  • No Red Line
  • Move the nets 2 feet back towards the boards
  • No Touch icing Modified- Players who miss long pass's are no longer whistled for the no touch pass which will cut down on a lot of icing calls.
  • Goalies equipment will be much smaller
  • The goaltenders also can only go behind the net in a trapazoid shaped area
  • Shootout after one five minute overtime in which its 3 players vs 3 players

NHL.com has a list of all the new rules. Some thing which werent even mentioned at the press conference

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