The Daisy Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 Fatwallet Thread AVS Forum reviews of the Westinghouse 32" LCD HDTV Best Buy Link for TV. There is also a 10% off coupon if you sign up for reward zone as well.... Plus, there will be 0% until '08 storewide as well. Looks like alot of people could be picking these bad boys up with their 360's. Glen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenMonkey Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Give me the Black Friday $999 42" Maxent plasma, :drool I've tried to self-justify it with stuff like "well the baby when it comes won't be able to watch the projector in the daylight" but somehow I'm not convincing anyone (including myself). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Daisy Posted November 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Of course that Maxent is only an EDTV. I'd hate to get a plasma and not even have it be an HDTV. Glen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenMonkey Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Black levels > resolution IMO Besides, from a certain distance 90% of folks can't tell the difference between 480p & HD anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camp Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Besides, from a certain distance 90% of folks can't tell the difference between 480p & HD anyway. Is that 90% of blind people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyN Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Is that 90% of blind people? :lmfao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Is that 90% of blind people? No it was proven via how many pixels an eye can see. Michael TLV over at HTF discussed this a while back. At the normal viewing distance of 8-10 feet for a 42" plasma, most if not all people could not tell the difference between the HD plasma being fed HD and the ED plasma being fed HD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whooter Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Nevermind. I'm confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Monkey Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 I hate to say "duh," but do I understand this correctly that someone is saying that the further away you sit from the screen, the harder it is to discern fine detail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 I sent a PM at HTF to Michael TLV. From what I remember, HDTV plasmas do not have significantly better resolution to begin with as they are usually only 720P max anyway. The pixel structure differences between SD and ED make it hard to discern the differences between HD and ED when being fed with an HD Source. When he responds I'll cut and paste his response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 Any time someone comes over and sees an HD broadcast or other source on my ED plasma they assume it's in HD until I tell them otherwise. These are people who have "better" displays at their own places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenMonkey Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 I hate to say "duh," but do I understand this correctly that someone is saying that the further away you sit from the screen, the harder it is to discern fine detail? Yup yup. You can look around at AVSforum. At the normal viewing distance of 8-10 feet for a 42" plasma' date=' most if not all people could not tell the difference between the HD plasma being fed HD and the ED plasma being fed HD. [/quote'] Like exile says. If you're sitting closer than that, then, well, maybe it will make a difference. Or if you're one of those (estimated) 10-20% of people or so with hawkeyes that can tell. That said, I have a DLP ED projector (800x600, 480p in widescreen) and I chose that over a 720p LCD, and would do so again any day. And many other projector owners concluded the same (see the avsforum sub$3500 projector forum). There's a big difference in blacks and black level detail. That makes more of a difference than pixels to many of us. The ED sets also benefit from the better colors in HDTV...you don't need extra pixels for that. That's why HD looks so much better than 480p, even on ED devices. BTW Ecost has a 32" LCD on sale... $789 after a $50 rebate.. http://www.ecost.com/ecost/shop/detail.asp?DPNo=567265&wt.mc_id=EWB08237&adcampaign=email,EWB08237 Then again Ecost is sorta questionable etailer...tolerable but not great... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 That said, I have a DLP ED projector (800x600, 480p in widescreen) and I chose that over a 720p LCD, and would do so again any day. I would not. The difference between the 2 isn't as great as the ED vs HD plasma plus we're talking about 100" screens more often that not instead of 42" screens. During the last PJ comparo, the ED PJ's were at the bottom(for good reason).The lack of the resolution was the biggest flaw. The size of the screen matters when choosing ED vs SD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 I always find it interesting in this discussions that those who don't have ED or HD sets argue for HD over ED on paper, but not in real-life comparison tests. Try it out, guys, you'll see what we're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Daisy Posted November 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 To be honest, I've never seen HDTV stuff broadcast on an EDTV. I just wonder if it would be worth the price difference to not ever be able to have the ability to output a 720P or 1080I picture. To each their own. Glen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 To be honest' date=' I've never seen HDTV stuff broadcast on an EDTV. I just wonder if it would be worth the price difference to not ever be able to have the ability to output a 720P or 1080I picture. To each their own. Glen[/quote'] My ED set will take SD, ED, 720p, and 1080i signals with no problem. The internal scaler is fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenMonkey Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 I would not. The difference between the 2 isn't as great as the ED vs HD plasma plus we're talking about 100" screens more often that not instead of 42" screens. During the last PJ comparo, the ED PJ's were at the bottom(for good reason).The lack of the resolution was the biggest flaw. The size of the screen matters when choosing ED vs SD. Pfft I can barely stand the contrast ratio & blacks on my DLP projector as it is at the (claimed) 2000:1. I couldn't imagine moving to a (claimed) 700:1 or 600:1device. I'm satisified with 4000:1 or 3000:1 plasmas (after they are tweaked from their horrid instore settings). More resolution is good and all, but I'll take the device that shows more detail in dark scenes over some extra pixels. If you prefer pixel count, fine. I guess it depends on what you watch on it. There's a reason the Infocus 4805 has been one of the most popular projectors over at AVSforum (589 page discussion) - superior black level performance at a low price. That said, LCDs are catching up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Daddy Bling Bling Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 Honestly, after comparing 480p with HD resolutions in several of my Xbox 360 games, I think it would be very foolish to buy an EDTV if you plan to game on it a lot. EDTVs are good for watching DVDs, but there's no way I'd be able to accept the loss in detail during the newer video games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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