Sony says X360 is not Hi-Def...

[Whooter]

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=62137

[PoisonJam]

This is the core of his argument:

 

PlayStation 3 is the only format that has 1080-progressive, which is the true definition of HD, so it's really premature to be talking about the HD era.

 

I thought the definition of high def was a minimum of either 720p or 1080i?

[rustyjaw]

"As you well know," he continued, "the Xbox 360 doesn't play high definition movies and doesn't have true HD functionality - PlayStation 3 is the only format that has 1080-progressive, which is the true definition of HD.

 

LOL.

 

The irony of this statement is that, AFAIK, 1080p is actually not yet part of the HD spec...although maybe only in the US.

[ColdForged]

I thought the definition of high def was a minimum of either 720p or 1080i?

 

I guess it depends on who you ask. If you're Sony, who has a vested interest in insinuating that their competitor is not high def, then obviously the term "high definition" is only applicable to devices that support 1080p. If, however, you are every other entity in the world, there are other formats including 720p and 1080i that bear the HD nomenclature.

[Dave C]

So I guess any Sony HDTV set that doesn't output 1080p isn't really a Hidef TV.

 

Shame, shame... false advertising.

[Josh]

Keep in mind Microsoft has been calling 480P Hi-Def since day one with the original Xbox.

[Whooter]

So did Fox, for awhile.

[Carlucci]

And the Sony fanboys who happen to work at retailers will eat that statement up, and pass it on to customers at every opportunity.

 

This is the kind of statement that can work wonders on the hapless masses who can't be bothered to educate themselves.

 

Carlos.

[Josh]

And the Sony fanboys who happen to work at retailers will eat that statement up' date=' and pass it on to customers at every opportunity.

 

This is the kind of statement that can work wonders on the hapless masses who can't be bothered to educate themselves.[/quote']

 

Agreed. But it goes both ways. I remember being told a few years ago that the Xbox was HD and the PS2 wasn't. More fun in the console wars. I love this shit. Keeps me occupied while I wait to get my hands on a 360.

[ColdForged]

This is the kind of statement that can work wonders on the hapless masses who can't be bothered to educate themselves.

 

You misspelled "edumacate."

 

But yes, you are right. It doesn't have to be true it just has to be said. As soon as there's FUD, there's benefit for Sony. Now there will be several thousand new threads on all manner of sites with panicked questions like "I HERD THAT XBOX 360 ISNT REALLY HI DEF!!1 IF i HAVE A TOSIBA HDTV WILL I REALLY GET HI DEF ON 360 OR DO I NEED SONY??!!!? OR DO I NEED TO WAIT FOR PS3??!!!"

 

This is the sound of me sighing extravagently.

[EnemaEms]

I knew there was a reason I have been unable to get a 360....it is fate...I only want a HD gaming machine.

 

-Dean-

[boogieman]

So I guess any Sony HDTV set that doesn't output 1080p isn't really a Hidef TV.

 

Shame' date=' shame... false advertising. [/quote']

 

So the Sony HDTV (1080i) I have isn't really HD?

Damn. I should be able to sue.

[Rob B]

You misspelled "edumacate."

 

But yes' date=' you are right. It doesn't have to be [i']true[/i] it just has to be said.

 

Or read........... God Bless the internet:tu

[foogledricks]

Agreed. But it goes both ways. I remember being told a few years ago that the Xbox was HD and the PS2 wasn't.

I don't own a PS2, but does it support HD? Because Xbox does support HD. The 360 is the first console to require it for every game. I wonder if the PS3 will be more like the 360 or the Xbox in its policy toward HD game content.

[Josh]

"HDTV 480P"

 

http://www.vgmuseum.com/scans/xbox/splintercell002.jpg

http://www.vgmuseum.com/scans/xbox/halo2le002.jpg

 

I don't own a PS2, but does it support HD? Because Xbox does support HD.

 

Yes. Few games have used it though. I believe GT4 runs in 1080i.

[JoeyN]

Like mentioned above. If it isnt high def till 1080p then i guess they have been false advertising there TV sets for the last few years.

[Romier S]

This is the core of his argument

No, this is the core of the marketing. Which is exactly what this is in the end. Sony doesn't truly believe 1080p is only true high definition standard (as noted that would be pretty silly considering thier product line), but they'll sell the PS3 that way. Whatever edge Sony can represent to the public, they will use. Just as any other console manufacturer would.

 

We'll see if it has any effect in the end. I'm also curious to see if all Playstation 3 titles will support 1080p or if we'll see a scenario where only select games are capable of dispaying at that resolution.

[ColdForged]

I'm also curious to see if all Playstation 3 titles will support 1080p or if we'll see a scenario where only select games are capable of dispaying at that resolution.

 

Ah hell, it'll display 1080p simultaneously out both of those fancy HDMI connections on every title. This is while it's also aging your DVDs, by the way. I hear it gives a mean hummer too.

[PoisonJam]

So I guess we can expect a statement from MS any day now saying that the PS3 won't be an online gaming device, since only games played over an integrated Live network are "true" online games? I wonder if Sony would have a problem with that? Because I can't see how it would be any different.

[Big Daddy Bling Bling]

I like this, I like it a lot.

 

It harkens back to the mean-spirited competitiveness that made the 16-bit generation so classic. These past couple of gens have been far too sanitized. I hope Microsoft fires back with something nasty. Microsoft's hands are tied though, as it's a bit difficult to offer substantive criticism of vaporware.

 

You're all focusing on resolution too much to the exclusion of the other part of the argument. The main focus is on movie playback, and it's also a valid criticism. If you want high definition movies, the 360 doesn't deliver. If you want high definition games, it should be pointed out that the 360 is already fudging the requirement by upscaling low-rez games like PGR3 to HD resolutions. So, even if we do consider 720p and 1080i to be true HD, the 360 isn't even providing full functionality at those resolutions.

 

As for what is considered "true" HD, 720p and 1080i are accepted broadcast standards for HD. What constitutes "true" HD for videogames is pretty subjective since they aren't standardized and aren't subject to the same logistical constraints. Obviously, Sony and Microsoft have adopted conflicting, self-serving definitions. Should a Sony exec not point out the ways in which his console will offer a more complete HD experience than a competitor that bases much of its marketing on said concept?

[Chris The Rock]

upscaling low-rez games like PGR3

 

I'd hardly call 1024x600 (or whatever the real numbers are for ) "low-rez". And besides, it doesn't matter, because the system's video output is 1280X720. The Xbox 360 doesn't put out a signal less than 720p.

 

"Genesis does.....

what Ninten-don't!"

 

I love it.

[PoisonJam]

Should a Sony exec not point out the ways in which his console will offer a more complete HD experience than a competitor that bases much of its marketing on said concept?

 

"more complete HD experience" <> "doesn't have true HD functionality"

 

One is marketing-speak, the other is a lie.

[foogledricks]

Should a Sony exec not point out the ways in which his console will offer a more complete HD experience than a competitor that bases much of its marketing on said concept?

All that will matter to the mass market (if you can call it that) of HDTV owners, is whether the PS3 games will support 720p and 1080i for all games. Verify that for me Sony before you start claiming better HD support than the 360. Once you have that, then you can spice up my life by also supporting 1080p, which would be a really cool edition for me when I buy a 1080p projector two years from now. I can dream, can't I.

[EnemaEms]

Once you have that, then you can spice up my life by also supporting 1080p, which would be a really cool edition for me when I buy a 1080p projector two years from now. I can dream, can't I.

Your wife going to let you have one then...or are you just dreaming of wearing the pants again?

 

-Dean-

[Big Daddy Bling Bling]

"more complete HD experience" <> "doesn't have true HD functionality"

 

One is marketing-speak' date=' the other is a lie.[/quote']

 

The "lie" claim depends on your definition of "true HD functionality". It wouldn't be unreasonable to include movie playback under that umbrella, so I think they're both marketing-speak.

 

I'd hardly call 1024x600 (or whatever the real numbers are for ) "low-rez". And besides, it doesn't matter, because the system's video output is 1280X720. The Xbox 360 doesn't put out a signal less than 720p

 

Well, if 1920x1080 is the standard, it's low-rez in comparison. A lot of it depends on the display. Playing on my 27inch CRT in 1080i format, I didn't really notice a difference between 720p games, 1080i games, and whatever the true resolution of PGR3 is. The native resolution of my TV wasn't anywhere close to 1080i though. When I got my 37 inch LCD that runs 1920X1080p native, the difference became pretty clear though. I was able to see a distinction in detail levels between native 1080i games and 720p games upscaled to 1080i by the 360's scaler. PGR's lower native resolution was also discernable.

 

The source material matters just as much as the output signal. If we took the idea that only the 720p video output mattered to the extreme, a 640X480 game upscaled to 720p would be considered "high def".