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Logitech is at it again, they have announced the MX Revolution mouse. Now with a thumb-wheel in addition to the scroll wheel:

 

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But unlike their previous scolling mice, this wheel is free spinning ("spins up to 7 seconds") for quickly move through long pages/documents. I'm somewhat skeptical of this, I think I'd like to try it first. It might be great. Right now I use the buttons fore/aft of the scroll wheel on my MX 1000 to page-up/down, which essentialy serves the same function...to rapidly move through documents. This freewheel thing could replace that.

 

The thumb wheel is meant to be used for 'precision' scolling, which sounds like it might be the same as their traditional ratcheted wheels. Although the software might actually slow down the scrolling speed of this wheel. (EDIT: as noted below by Ryan, this wheel might just be a back/forth rocker)

 

I wonder how the two wheels work without the Logitech software. Normally I can use a scrolling mouse without the provided software, scrolling just works, and the buttons are all detected as generic mouse device buttons so they acn be programmed with any USB device software. I suspect OS X wouldn't know what to do with the other wheel, and I've never been too impressed with Logitech's software...although maybe they've improved it for this new device.

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FWIW, Logitech does say it works with OS X, though I'm not sure if they just mean that in the "no advanced features" sense.

 

From what I understand, the main wheel can change between free-spinning and traditional "click" spinning, where there are discrete scroll intervals (and can change between these modes automatically based on what application has focus). Also, the side scroll wheel isn't a full scroll wheel, but rather a "rocker" style wheel that you can rock forward/back. I've been seriously thinking about picking one up, since it seems like it doesn't have the high-gloss gunk-accumulating finish my G7 does.

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FWIW, Logitech does say it works with OS X, though I'm not sure if they just mean that in the "no advanced features" sense.

 

From what I understand, the main wheel can change between free-spinning and traditional "click" spinning, where there are discrete scroll intervals (and can change between these modes automatically based on what application has focus). Also, the side scroll wheel isn't a full scroll wheel, but rather a "rocker" style wheel that you can rock forward/back. I've been seriously thinking about picking one up, since it seems like it doesn't have the high-gloss gunk-accumulating finish my G7 does.

 

Ah, yes I think you're right about the wheels. I'm also very tempted. While I'm perfectly happy with MX1000 at home, I'm using an old MX700 at work which is quite battle-worn by now. The original rechargable batteries have long since died, and the Energizer rechargables I'm using now don't even last a week nor do they charge in the cradle (I use a separate charger). And finally the finish has worn off of large parts of surface. Needless to say I'm ready to retire the MX700, and this looks like a nice replacement.

 

EDIT: Oh, I'm sure it works with OS X as long as I'm using their software, but traditionally I've skipped their software for a more flexible driver like "USB Overdrive" - but I suspect given the way the mouse works, USBO might not be able to utilize the mouse well.

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A guy at my job got one of these today, its very nice! He didn't have time to get everything going on his Mac, but I'm very interested to see how well the features work. At $100 though it will have to be very damn interesting to get me to replace my MX1000.

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Mine will arrive tomorrow ;)

 

This review at extremetech is quite positive. I hadn't realized that the mouse can switch between 'click-wheel' and 'freewheel' modes on it's own:

 

...if you are in line-by-line scrolling mode, you can activate the free-spin mode based on how hard you flick the scroll wheel. Basically, the wheel detects how fast the wheel is spinning in line-by-line mode to determine when to switch to free-spinning mode. If you're in a program and you want to scroll down the page a long distance, quickly flicking the scroll wheel instructs the scroll wheel to enter free-spin mode automatically.

 

I'm wondering if his mouse will do me more good at home or at work. Since it is shipping to work, I will get a chance to try it there and then bring it home.

 

Kind of feels silly to spend this much on a mouse (my previous record was $80 on the MX1000), but when I consider how much time I spend using one...and how much I have loved each iteration of Logitech mice, I figure it's probably worth it.

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So I got the mouse today, been using it for a few hours. I've been extremely busy at work most of the day so I haven't had much time to play with the configuration, but in the last half hour I've messed with it, and took some pics.

 

Here's a comparison of the MX700, MX1000, and Revolution

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From the front:

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Overall the Revolution is slightly smaller than the MX1000 and 700. Although the footprint is wider because of the thumb-flange. It feels like it weighs about the same as the MX1000, but it slides with less effort because of the huge teflon pads on the bottom:

 

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The pads on the Revolution cover probably 10x more space than the ones on the 1000, which in turn were quite a bit larger than the ones on the 700.

 

A macro of the scroll wheel:

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So, as quoted above in the Extremetech review, the scroll wheel jumps from 'ratchet scroll' mode to free spin mode automatically ("SmartShift") if you give it a flick. How much of a flick it takes to switch modes is configurable.

 

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And as you can see, you can define (per application, or globally) how much force is required to shift, or whether is stays in one mode or the other the whole time.

 

The SmartShift thing is weird at first because you need to get used to how much force it takes, and also when the ratchet re-engages you can feel it with your finger (and hear it barely). Ratchet mode re-engages almost immediately after stopping the free-spin, although not so quickly that you can't give the wheel a reverse flick if you overshot the information you were looking for. And although the wheel is heavy, by scroll-wheel standards, no effort is required to stop it.

 

How useful you find this feature depends on how often you find yourself scrolling, scrolling, scrolling through pages or documents or photos. If you do a lot of this, then the free-spin may make your life easier. I found it to be very useful in iPhoto, where I have 20,000 pictures. A single flick enabled me to spin past about 300 pictures, which requires 40 page-downs to cover the same range.

 

Long web pages also benefit, although if it's a text page it goes so fast there's no hope of skimming to check what the content is. If you know it's a ways down, then free-spin will get you there fast. But if you don't know how far down you need to go you might miss it.

 

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You can also configure scoll acceleration, which is new to the Mac software from Logitech.

 

One sucky thing is that Logitech insists (on the Mac at least) on seeing the tilt-wheel as a unitary input, in other words you cannot configure the OS to respond to either a left-click or a right-click of the wheel. This is one of the main reasons I switched to a 3rd party driver on my MX1000.

 

The thumb wheel:

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As Ryan reported above the thumb wheel is a rocker, which has about 1/8" travel both forward and back. It also works as a fully-configurable button (pressing in toward the mouse), which is great. But again, you can't configure a forward click independently of a backward one which sucks.

 

After a few hours of use, my impression is very positive. To be honest, I wasn't having much of a problem scrolling long pages before, but the free-spin scrolling is intuitive and useful enough that I will definitely use it. Just how often I use, it I'm not sure about yet as it will take time for me to get used to the option, and maybe even configure the sensitivity.

 

Otherwise this is a very high quality mouse, it actually feels more comfortable than the MX1000, although again, I had no complaints about that. But this is another winner from Logitech.

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Tendril:

 

Once you have some more hours logged with your new mouse, can you report back on the battery life?

 

My MX1000 is starting to require daily charges, so I may upgrade to the Revolution.

 

How is the charging cradle compared to the MX1000? I find that I have to re-seat my MX1000 3 or 4 times on the cradle before the contacts line up and charging begins. I am hoping the Revolution has a better designed cradle.

 

Jeff

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I will report back when I find out about battery life, but it won't be for a little while since I'm leaving tomorrow on a 4-day trip. My MX1000 still holds a charge for about 15 days, but my MX700's batteries lost their charge in less than a day after a coupe of years, and I was using Energizer rechargeables as a replacement. Like the MX1000, the Revolution's battery is built-in, Lithium Ion.

 

In the meantime, I captured a couple of movies last night showing how the free-scrolling works.

 

First shows scrolling in iPhoto, this is a library of 650 images, one good flick of the wheel scrolls through about 400 of them.

 

iPhotoScroll.jpg

13MB, 8 seconds, MPEG4

 

Second is in Mail, scrolling through a folder of about 1600 messages.

 

MailScroll.jpg

5.4MB, 4 seconds, MPEG4

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  • 2 weeks later...

OK, well I've been using this mouse for a while now (at home), and my impression of the battery life is that it's not very good. I'm not sure how to quantify it in terms of hours used, but basically my usage is mainly for browsing and photo editing in the evenings, maybe 3 hours a day or so, and the batteries seem to last about 5 or 6 days...WAY down from the 20+ days I was getting with the MX1000 at home (which is now at work, getting more use per day, and consequently lasting for less time).

 

In all other respects I love the Revolution, after switching back and forth, I really like the shape of it over the MX1000 quite a bit. And I find myself trying to spin the MX1000's wheel at work to get through a lot of scrolling...but the battery life is disappointing.

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